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Hello from another Brian

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I just cc'ed you on an (apparently) stray email message. I decided to look you up, and lo and behold! another wikipedian who loves Star Trek (though it's not on my user page). My first computer was a TRS-80 Level II with 16K of RAM in 1978....

Be well, and I hope to see you around the wiki!

BCorr|Брайен 16:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OES survivors

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I reverted your edits since there were four survivors: two walked down for help, and two survived in the snowcave. Actually there were additional students who turned back early in the hike, but since they weren't part of the ordeal, they don't count as "survivors" even though they still live. —EncMstr (talk) 19:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced BLPs

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  1. Bolo Yeung - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

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Cricut

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This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion because it does nothing but promote some entity or product and would require a fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 02:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Windows XP article milestones

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Hello Brain

There seems to be something wrong with article milestones listed at the top Talk:Windows XP. Some of the dates do not match. I tried to pin the problem and edit it out, but I am unable to do so, because of my lack of experience. I feel there is one or two items missing to which you can find links from review pages; but I can't figure out what is wrong and what is right.

Perhaps you can help verify and rematch dates. Fleet Command (talk) 14:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I'll try my best to give you a few examples.
Item #5 from the top reads:

December 21, 2005 - Featured article review - Kept

Which points to this: Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Windows XP. It starts on 7 May 2006 and ends on 18 May 2006! What happened to 2005?
Now, this item is not amongst milestones: Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Windows XP/archive1? It start 3 December and ends 15 December. What happened to 21 December?
None of these two items are closed. Are they still pending?
Another example: Check third item from the top. It is Wikipedia:Peer review/Windows XP/archive1. The only entry in it is 10 September 2004 which has nothing to do with 29 January 2005!
You see? Dates do not match and items are not archived. I am officially confused, but I think you have a fairly good idea what is going on. Fleet Command (talk) 11:24, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and please check other items too. Gotta rush now; have an exam. If you replied, I may read it in two days. Fleet Command (talk) 11:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I had a look at the milestones; you're right that the 2005 "Kept" appears to link to a 2006 review and not to the review that took place in December 2005. The other dates may also be bad links. You're welcome to be bold and correct that milestones section; I recommend you have a look at some other articles with several milestones to see which events are considered milestones and which aren't. - Brian Kendig (talk) 02:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I wanted to continue our discussion regarding external links with an example. You seem to harden your stance in the e-mail you wrote me with regards to external links compared to your statement on Wikipedia.

Official website 

Quotations related to The Simpsons at Wikiquote
Media related to The Simpsons at Wikimedia Commons

The Simpsons at the Internet Movie Database The Simpsons at TV.com The Simpsons Archive The Simpsons at the Encyclopedia of Television

Above are the external links for the Simpsons Wikipedia article, based on your comments only the first link to the official website is valid. I find this unusual because many movie and TV pages have links to IMDB and TV.com. The Simpsons Archive and the Encyclopedia of Television however seem to fall in your earlier (but changed?) comments regarding external links that provide additional information. I would say that just because the words archive or encyclopedia are attached to a site doesn't mean it's not a fan site. Shouldn't a small number of exceptions be made for sites that contain detailed information in the hopes that articles for every little niche/cult topic don't become excessively large and perhaps even for the sake of users who wish to find information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitigating (talk • contribs) 17:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion discussion about Faux Pas (webcomic)

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Hello, Brian Kendig, and thanks for contributing to Wikipedia!

I wanted to let you know that some editors are discussing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faux Pas (webcomic) whether the article Faux Pas (webcomic) should be in Wikipedia. I encourage you to comment there if you think the article should be kept in the encyclopedia.

The deletion discussion doesn't mean you did something wrong. In fact, other editors may have useful suggestions on how you can continue editing and improving Faux Pas (webcomic), which I encourage you to do. If you have any questions, feel free to ask at the Help Desk.

Thanks again for your contributions! MikeWazowski (talk) 19:54, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MSU Interview

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Dear Brian Kendig,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your nameHERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk)23:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback about deletion notices

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ImagiNation Network Protocol Info

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Brian,

I'm wondering if you happen to have the protocol information that you removed from the ImagiNation Network Talk page - I'm doing a write-up and would like to be able to see if it would be useful.

Thank you in advance!

24.160.105.178 (talk) 04:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you're talking about Talk:ImagiNation Network, on that talk page itself I had pasted the section that I'd removed from the article. Look below my comment there. - Brian Kendig (talk) 19:23, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment

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Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Robert Hess (writer)

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10-year hoodie contribution

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Thank you for the way you've managed this Brian Kendig. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 14:01, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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A new user right for New Page Patrollers

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altleft

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"I have not seen the term applied to an actual group of people whose members, activities, and goals can be discussed" they has been a group of them around since 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alt-left#The_Alt-Left_already_existed_prior_to_reinvention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alt-left#irl_altleft_movement https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/08/18/proposal-for-an-alternative-left/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeLeft/ https://www.facebook.com/alternativeleft/ https://altleftjournal.wordpress.com/ http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.co.il/2016/09/a-proposal-for-alt-left-political.html https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/10/26/liberal-race-realism-precursor-to-the-alt-left/ http://altleft.com/2015/11/14/a-clockwork-greenshirt-introducing-the-alt-left/ https://web.archive.org/web/20151119073815/http://altleft.com 110.141.68.184 (talk) 00:49, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see a lot of conjecture as to what the alt-left may be and proposals for what it could stand for; but, as I said, I don't see anything specific about its members, its activities, and its goals. Unless you could be more specific? - Brian Kendig (talk) 01:39, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding an IP editor

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Thanks for your work reverting vandalism on Pinkalicious & Peterrific and Donkey Hodie (TV series). I'm pretty sure the IP (173.76.176.66) who did that vandalism is the same editor as an IP range that was banned for vandalizing the same articles in the same fashion (see this log). Wizzito (talk) 21:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I also found an IP making similar edits: 2600:1000:B064:7921:6525:66BC:DADE:E0CD Wizzito (talk) 21:50, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Trump article RM closure

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In the closure of Talk:Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York#Requested move 31 May 2024, I suggest that you should have applied WP:NOTCURRENTTITLE or just left it open for someone else to close (perhaps with a relisting). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - I did consider invoking NOTCURRENTTITLE and picking another of the ones mentioned; but there were so many variations, and there have been so many recent successful and unsuccessful move requests of Trump-related articles, that I decided to leave it up to another RM instead of summarily picking an option. I didn't feel right choosing a name which had only been mentioned in a few comments, though I suppose NOTCURRENTTITLE allowed me that, and I did like your "Trial of Donald Trump for falsification of business records" and the variations of it. - Brian Kendig (talk) 01:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After further thinking, perhaps your approach was best – it clears the air a bit and should help focus the further discussion. As you may have noticed, I opened another RM. There have only been a couple of responses so far, and I find that somewhat surprising. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's kind of you to say, and that's what I was going for. I will come comment on your RM; thank you for opening it! - Brian Kendig (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see you withdrew your requested move. I can understand why, and I'm also surprised at the responses during the time it was open. I'll keep an eye on that article; eventually someone will find a title that fits it better - Brian Kendig (talk) 21:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Robotics conventions

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On Robotics conventions, which still pending a rename, I modified it by removing the current (unclear) intro, removing the first heading so it becomes the intro, and editing the new intro to be more useful as an intro. I hope this change makes it more useful. RJFJR (talk) 00:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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