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On 13 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from China North Industries Corporation to Norinco. The result of the discussion was moved.

Concealing information

All information about arms trafficking by Norinco has been systematically and repeatedly removed by anonymous users. This information is well cited and relatively common knowledge in the industry. Does anyone know why its being removed on a regular basis? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.9.224.44 (talk) 04:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The "controversies" section cannot be 90% of the article as that is grossly NPOV. I have condensed it to just under 50% of the article - even that is too much (only one or two lines less than the combined total article sections above it). Just as the article of Colt or Bushmaster isn't mostly about mass shootings, neither can Norinco article be almost entirely about the life and times of US government agencies and agents in disguise as gun runners. Wikipedia is not a (local) news repository. Loginnigol (talk) 06:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality Disputed

"According to an affidavit signed by two of the undercover agents involved in the investigation, representatives from Norinco offered to sell urban gangs shoulder-held missile launchers capable of downing a large commercial airliner." --Where is this alleged affidavit?

RE: Contraversies with Pakistan, the Pakistani news articles cited is clearly commentary and not factual reporting of the news. The paragraph itself seems biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carbonmotion (talk • contribs) 19:59, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable Information

Moved from main article to here until reliable and current sources are provided:

Norinco has numerous U.S.-based subsidiaries, including Beta Chemical, Beta Toys, Larin, and Forte Lighting. Although disclosure requirements and Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) differ in China compared to American and Western publicly held corporations, Norinco's earnings in 1994 were an estimated $31 billion.

has nothing to do with 500 tons of VX precursors; the subject is accounting transperancy, disclousre, and estimated revenue. nobs

No one said anything about precursors. The above paragraph was moved here because it lacks a reliable source citation. What is the source for the $31 billion figure? FYI - When Forte Lighting is contacted directly, they confirm they are not a subsidiary, never have been, and are privately owned. 165.247.221.163 08:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The following information, and linked source, does not specifically implicate Norinco. In fact, the source cited at the link given doesn't present any connection between Norinco and China's SinoChem Corporation - the actual source of the chemicals. See [1]

In 1998 a Norinco subsidiary in Hong Kong sold Iran 500 tons of phosphorus pentasulfide, a component in pesticides and high-performance lubricants. This material, while not an illegal or controlled substance under the CWC, is also considered a precursor in the production of some V-Series nerve gasses such as VX. China has since voluntarily added phosphorus pentasulfide to its list of controlled chemical exports.

cia.gov conference reports says "Norinco front company in Hong Kong". Is this the source in question? --nobs

That is not a source. That is a report. That report cites Con Coughlin, "China Helps Iran to Make Nerve Gas," The Sunday Telegraph (Internet Version), May 24, 1998, transcribed by FBIS, FTS 19980525000796. as its source. As stated above, the source cited at the link given doesn't present any connection between Norinco and China's SinoChem Corporation - the actual source of the chemicals. See [2] 165.247.221.163 08:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Dubious text, not backed up

I've made the "Work, Import or Export, and Corporate Progress" sound a lot less like some Sinophobic rant (Chinese war machine, gargantuan [yet not a patch on other arms companies across the world]). I've also removed some unreferenced text (Chinese workers, apparently, love their job producing arms - I doubt anyone has actually asked a single worker, since they no doubt have NDA and other censorship pledges due to the nature of their job).

To be honest, much of the text in that section has no reference, and is clearly written by some enthusiast/paranoid idiot (spelling mistakes aplenty, superfluous words that portray a cynical tone to the whole article) - might as well remove it completely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.120.73 (talk) 16:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to delete the entire "Work, ... Corporate Progress" section. It doesn't really have any information and is terribly written. I'm going to delete it and if someone finds issue with that they can reconstruct that section with actual data. Zhyla (talk) 16:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Firearms Prefix

A lot (if not all) of there civilian market firearms are designated JW-XX. Does anyone know what that stands for? I came to the article to learn this but it's not mentioned. Falcon5nz (talk) 03:29, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Construction in Iran

Norinco is also involved in domestic civil construction projects.

this sentence in the article does not reflect, that

Tehran Metro has been "constructed by" Norinco and

in Ahvaz, Iran a metro urban railway system is being built by "Norinco of China" as "partner" regarding to http://www.kayson-ir.com/divisions.aspx?topic=rtrans --Helium4 (talk) 05:35, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

with all the heavy handedness of "reliable sourcing" on wikipedia the citation for Axios? Never heard of them and the article structure the link directs to feels all over the place, if you call that an article. Seems like it was written by a bot. With 2 citations I don't feel there needs to be a 3rd and would not personally consider Axios as a reliable source. Based on the quality I feel the argument on why Axios is actually a reliable source, where others are not, would be that Theyve spun off from their careers at Politico and WAPO and are now oligarchs by pedigree of those ordained as ministers of reliable sources here. In a vacuum, based solely on the quality of that citation. I wouldnt link it on grounds Ive never heard of them and poor quality with no value added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A0C3:5500:FC73:195A:5398:ED88 (talk) 09:53, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 13 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. Data and editors agree that Norinco is the WP:COMMONNAME. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 14:37, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

China North Industries Corporation → Norinco – Common name. Defense news sites seem to exclusively refer to this company as "Norinco." Most non-English, non-Chinese Wikipedias (Wikidata) also call it "Norinco." Schierbecker (talk) 02:06, 13 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 何をしましたか？那晚安啦。 08:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 11:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the Norinco shorthand far outweighs uses of the full name. Pikavoom ^Talk 07:11, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom DownTownRich (talk) 08:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Split proposal

As indicated by these two different sources, Norinco and Norinco Group are two different companies that operate in different fields and have slightly different histories (Norinco is an export company with no manufacturing capabilities, while Norinco Group is a Chinese manufacturing conglomerate). Though they are definitely related, I feel like they should be split to reduce the possibility of readers confusing the two. Wuzh (talk) 20:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Critical info missing

What this company makes is missing. Also, that info is extremely critical. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 10:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored the old list of Norinco products. Why it was deleted in the first place is beyond me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.171.185 (talk) 19:01, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]