Talk:Green Mountain Boys

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Gentgeen 10:52, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Now listed at Wikipedia:Sites that use Wikipedia for content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angela (talk • contribs) 22:56, 2 December 2003 (UTC)

exercise/exorcise

re exercise/exorcise: were they trying to exorcise the rebellion vermonters as one would expel a demon; or were they trying to exercise the warrants? jengod — Preceding undated comment added 09:16, 26 February 2004 (UTC)

The Green Mountain Boys later formed the basis of the Vermont militia which selected Seth Warner as its leader.

It is true that Seth Warner was commissioned a Brigadier General in the Vermont Militia in 1778 however he did not accept the commission because it would have been a demotion for him since was already a Continental Colonel. During the American War for independence military commissions from the Continental Congress took precedence and thus out ranked any state militia rank.

Warner’s Regiment (Seth Warner being selected over Ethan Allen as commander of the regiment) from 1775 - 1781 was a Continental Regiment that was formed from “ those known as the Green Mountain Boys” as stated in the original order raising the regiment in 1775:

Ordered that in consequence of a recommendation from the Continental Congress a Body of Troops not exceeding five hundred men, officers included, be forthwith raised of those called Green Mountain Boys, that they elect all their own officers except Field Officers. . .

That the said troops, when raised, be considered as an Independent Body, their Field Officers taking rank after the Field Officers of the other Troops to be raised by this Colony for the Continental Service. That their Corps of Officers consist of one Lieutenant Colonel, one Major, seven Captains and fourteen lieutenants and that the General be furnished with Blank Warrants to be filled up by him, agreeable to such election as above mentioned. Die Martis, 9 ho. A.M. 15th Augt.1775

An interesting fact about this order is that it was issued from the New York assembly on the recommendation from the Continental Congress, the very government body the Green Mountain Boys fought so hard against in the years leading up to war.

The regiment was again mustered in 1776 and was in existence as one of George Washington’s 13 additional regiments until the regiment was mustered out in 1781.

There are many documents in the Library of Congress relating to the regiment and there was a lively correspondence between Washington and Warner through out the war that can be found in the Washington papers and letters.

Though Warner and his regiment were not militia, Warner was commanded after the battle of Hubbardton to take control of all militia in the NH territories, thus technically placing him over NH General Stark and his militia forming and moving east to resist Burgoyne in the summer of 1777. Warner and Stark appear to have had an excellent cordial relationship with Warner not exercising strict command or control over Stark.* In fact it was documented that General Stark sent his militia companies one at a time as they were formed east to Col Warner at Manchester, VT, who then placed them in the Bennington area to await the arrival of Stark. In addition to placing the militia, Col Warner also detached Herricks Rangers from his command in Manchester and send them also to Bennington to reinforce Stark. Herrick and many of his rangers were Green Mountain Boys under Allen before the war and it was Herricks Rangers that was with Stark from the beginning of the battle of Bennington and it was Herrick that presented “The Green Mountain Boy” flag to Stark after the battle.

One theory is regarding this relationship is that it may have started during the French and Indian War in Roger’ Rangers. Stark was one of Rogers Lieutenants and later a Captain in the rangers . According to the U.S. Army Center Of Military History, Seth Warner was also a ranger, though no other reference has been found to corroborate this claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vermontpatriot (talk • contribs) 03:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Arnold leading?

This seems unlikely to me. While he was present at the Capture of Fort Ticonderoga and played an important role in some of the events there, the Boys do not appear to have ever honored his commission, or recognize any sort of right of his to command them. (I'm unaware of other times that Arnold might have been arguably in charge of some of them, but then, I'm not up on the Boys' history.) Magic♪piano 04:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I removed Arnold, while he may have arguably commanded a joint force that included the Green Mountain Boys, he was never the unit's commanding officer. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 13:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

That's pretty much what I figured. Magic♪piano 16:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Peter Roberts

He is non notable. Adding his name to the list of notable members of the units looks like geneological puffing just because someone found his name on a website. warof1812.com lists loads of members of the unit, on the same basis should they all be added to this article? I don't think so. Compared to other listed in this section he just doesn't rate. For him to be notable he needs to meet the general notability criteria as much as if there were to be a separate article on him. if you can't do that then he isn't notable enough to be in this section of this article. 212.137.36.234 (talk) 09:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you have misapplied the notability requirement, in particular: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#Notability_guidelines_do_not_limit_content_within_an_article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.92.65.10 (talk) 19:10, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

In the policy you refer to above, emphasis is laid on WP:DUE, nobody has yet explained why Peter Roberts is a notable member of this unit. The only "evidence" is that his name appears on warof1812.com - as do the names of many others who were members of the GMB. So why is he more notable than them and worthy of being listed in the article when their names aren't. I'd also remind you of WP:NOT and the many reasons given in that policy as to why his name being on this list is wrong. 212.137.36.234 (talk) 09:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Read the policy, please. The requirement applies to the list, not to individual members of it. 174.91.146.116 (talk) 16:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Who the heck is John Lawrie Altieri?

Arlington, Vermont's article mentions him as well, yet the Internet seems devoid of information on this person. Also: Nunchucks?! REALLY?! I swear this is defacement. Especially since it doesn't show up until 12 JAN 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.131.93 (talk) 11:53, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Removed from both pages, while the addition seemed less spurious in the Arlington article, it was still unsourced. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 19:35, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Jabez William Clay

Jabez William Clay, listed as a notable member of the Green Mountain Boys, appears to have been born many years after the original Green Mountain Boys ceased to exist. If he is supposedly a member of one of the later "incarnations" of the GMBs, he was not born until after the War of 1812, died (at age 28 of pneumonia) before the Spanish-American War, and was only 8 when the Civil War began. I can find no online evidence that he was ever in the militia. Can anyone confirm his service? I am suspicious that his being identified as a member of the GMBs comes from references in some of his bios that refer to him as a "Green Mountain boy", meaning a Vermonter. ----LP1888 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lp1888 (talk • contribs) 02:30, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

I will further add to this by wondering the same thing.... Being a Vermonter I also consider myself a Green Mountain Boy and while I someday plan on annexing Warner's Gore this does not mean I participated in the capture of Fort Ticonderoga or any other engagement involving the GMB's or the Vermont National Guard.... In any case I was investigating the Westminster Massacre which eventually lead me to the 6 Phi Sig's who in 1875 founded a Fraternity at Aggie.... Later known as UMass Amherst and while Jabez Clay certainly seems to have accomplished a hell of a lot more in his brief time on Earth than I did in my first 28 years, and certainly left a legacy that will be remembered by these Phi Sig's for as long as they exist as a Fraternity, I was unable to make any connection between Clay and the actual Green Mountain Boys.... I will do some further research on the topic and if I come across any relevant info I will add it to this talk page, or if it is a verifiable source to the page for Mr. Clay. Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 19:37, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

This has to be wrong. A guy who lived in the mid to late 1800s couldn't have been in the Green Mountain Boys during the mid to late 1700s. And there's nothing in the Clay article to even indicate that he served in the militia or National Guard at any time, let alone in the 1700s. I did a search on Google and Ancestry.com and I found no connection to the Green Mountain Boys or the militia/National Guard at all.

Billmckern (talk) 19:48, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Stars' symbolism

Were the stars placed haphazardly to annoy the British or because the Boys had better things to do? BrianH123 (talk) 19:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)