Talk:Power Line

Analysis of sourcing in the article as of April 16, 2021

When I added the notability template on April 6, I did so with the following edit summary, "Is this blog really notable? Article only cites two sources, and I'm having difficulty finding material ABOUT it." Since then XavierItzm has done a lot of work on the article, and added a lot of sources. Today XavierItzm removed the notability tag with the following edit summary, "Putting this one to rest. When your sources include The New York Times, The Boston Globe, CNN, NPR, Time, Politico and The Hill, among others, the goose is cooked." Now, before I added the notability tag I had seen articles in those sources quoting Powerline (or Power Line - sources spell it both ways), but not articles about Powerline, so I was curious what had been found.

1. JEFF JACOBY (13 January 2010). "Harry Reid's racial imbroglio". The Boston Globe. Archived from the original on 16 January 2010. Retrieved 16 April 2021. At PowerLine, a widely-read conservative blog, John Hinderaker - Not in depth coverage of Powerline. It quotes Powerline, and justifies quoting Powerline by describing it as "a widely-read conservative blog"; but it doesn't constitute significant coverage.
2. TOBIN HARSHAW (6 November 2009). "Are Democrats, Too, Facing a Civil War?". The New York Times. Retrieved 16 April 2021. And not from conservative bloggers, either. John Hinderaker of Powerline thinks a rebellion on the fringe may hurt centrist Democrats - Again, is not significant coverage of Powerline. Mentions it in passing while quoting it.
3. Jason Cohen (14 December 2011). "Holder Holds the Voting Line at LBJ Library". Texas Monthly. Retrieved 16 April 2021. John Hinderaker at the conservative blog Powerline also enjoyed the symbolism of Holder speaking at the LBJ Library, albeit for very different reasons: "Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act in 1965—Holder's intended reference—but he is also associated with voter fraud." - Same situation as the first two.
4. CHRISTOPHER BEAM (17 April 2007). "The Mourning After". Slate (magazine). Retrieved 16 April 2021. Conservative John Hinderaker at Power Line Blog argues that normally there's "nothing wrong" - Same as the first three.
5. JOHN BOWDEN (11 March 2021). "CNN's Tapper battles GOP senator over mean tweets". The Hill. Retrieved 16 April 2021. Cornyn tweeted, quoting the right-leaning Powerline blog - Again, no significant coverage of Powerline.
6. ARI SHAPIRO (4 October 2005). "Bloggers Fire Away on Miers Nomination". National Public Radio. Retrieved 16 April 2021. ARI SHAPIRO reporting: John Hinderacker spent yesterday criticizing President Bush on the political Web site powerlineblog.com - This one comes closer. But it's still essentially a quote and a brief (one sentence) description of the website rather than significant coverage.
7. Kher, Unmesh (December 19, 2004). "Blogs Have Their Day". Time. Archived from the original on 2012-03-04. {{cite magazine}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 2012-05-04 suggested (help) - This seems like an excellent source for this article. It is in-depth significant coverage in a reliable source. So here's one.
8. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/02/016571.php - Not independent, so doesn't contribute to notability, but fine for establishing some general facts.
9. http://web.archive.org/web/20070304000738/http://newsbloggers.aol.com/category/power-line/ - See above; doesn't contribute to notability as not independent, but fine for establishing the fact that AOL included them.
10. https://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4483_Page2.html - We're back to failing significant coverage. It's mentioned on a list of blogs they should talk to.
11. Budoff Brown, Carrie (June 13, 2007). "GOP issues rules to avoid Macaca moments". Politico. - not significant coverage
12. "How Not To Discredit A Poll". CBS News. 23 June 2009. Retrieved 16 April 2021. John Hinderaker at Power Line, a prominent conservative blog, pushed back - again, this is not significant coverage, even though they are quoted at length in the article, the article is not about them.
13. "Rathergate". Frontline (American TV program). Public Broadcasting Service. 2007. Retrieved 16 April 2021. Of course your most famous bump-up in recognition came during the 2004 election. Can you just lay out the story for us? [...] I called that post "The 61st Minute," - This one is interesting. It is an interview with the bloggers about the impact the blog had on a specific story. General consensus on Wikipedia (which I disagree with, btw, but that's neither here nor there) is that interviews with article subjects do not contribute to notability as they are not independent.
14. Scott Johnson, Scott (September 9, 2004). "The sixty-first minute". Power Line. - Again, not independant.
15. "Courthouse Shooting in Seattle; Bolton Nomination Before the Senate ... Again; The Hunt of Osama bin Laden Continues; Saddam and the Downing Street Memo in the Blogs". CNN. 20 June 2005. Retrieved 16 April 2021. over now to Powerlineblog.com. This is the three conservative lawyers who blog over here and maintain this site. They were the ones who were widely credited, along with their readers, with really blowing what is called in the blogosphere as Rathergate, those CBS documents last year about Bush's National Guard service. - more coverage of that specific incident.

Now, each of these sources serve a purpose in the article as it stands and I'm not advocating for removing any of them, but the only one that really meets the "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject," requirement of General notability is the article in Time. Or, as I said in my original edit summary, "I can't find articles about Powerline". ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Why are you blocking me? 2600:1700:7670:3850:DD30:166F:2E26:D060 (talk) 17:21, 24 February 2024 (UTC)