User talk:Energybone

Dear Energybone, Welcome to Wikipedia! We're glad to have you here, but I have to remind you that Wikipedia has a policy of no personal attacks. Thanks very much, Meelar 18:33, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

P.S. Another good policy to keep in mind might be our neutrality policy. Meelar 18:43, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

Was there some evidence to the email password thing on Sept 11? Thanks Mark Richards 18:54, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

Could you please use a more cooperative tone with other users? This is a community. Wikipedia works best when users show respect for one another. Thanks in advance, Kingturtle 23:38, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

The Berg video was picked up by news organizations who are describing what is in it and what it said. Conspiracy theories by their nature are those that refute the widely asserted or held version.

If you continue to post articles and other contributors with attitude and include what should be on talk pages in article text, you will have problems with other members of the community. -- Cecropia | Talk 02:08, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Excuse me, are you threatening me? If you live in the United States, this may jog your memory. The US Supreme Court has ROUNDLY rejected prior restraint and a priori THREAT OF PUNISHMENT is rejected by nearly EVERY civilization on the planet. Energybone 03:28, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

You do know that this is a private site and not a government agency, right? Prior restraint has nothing to do with Wikipedia. RickK 03:32, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Every entity in the United States falls under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. If you don't understand, I suggest you obtain and read a document called the United States Constitution. And prior restraint shouldn't have anything to do with wikipedia or any other public forum, but it would appear that it has a home here. Sieg heil! Energybone 04:12, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Your contention is, of course, nonsense. Please point to any case in which a private entity has been accused of violating the prior restraint ruling. Also, personal attacks are not acceptable on Wikipedia. RickK 04:16, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

I didn't come here to teach you law. Ignorance is really not an excuse for violation of the law. And this is an entirely abstract debate you're trying to drag me into. Are you just trying to jam my talk page and distract me? If this is what you're after, please stop it, I have as much right as anyone else to post factual information on wikipedia. Quit being so heavy-handed, chief, nobody is trying to burn down your tee pee. Just relax, man. Energybone 04:40, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

It's comments like this that make people angry; they harm the community, and no good comes from them. Please refrain. Meelar 04:42, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Telling people to relax makes them angry? I really don't understand that. Would you please stop hounding me? I really do not need a babysitter. And let me get this straight, if a comment angers somebody it harms the community? Does that apply to everyone or is it only some people who can have this righteous anger? Does everybody have to get mad at the same thing? Is everything that makes you mad a violation of the rules? Help me explain what it is you're trying to help me with here. Or better yet, just leave me alone, you are very insulting and you seem to be enthralled with this idea that you can slander me on my own talk page. I insist you stop this harassment. Energybone 05:09, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

And can we talk about TONE here, Meelar? Final warning? You know what? That fills me with furious anger. Only the fact that my parents raised me to be civilized is preventing me from assaulting you with vitriolic insults and unceasing mockery of your genitals. Can the Gestapo crap, if you don't mind. Final warning? That sounds a lot like FINAL SOLUTION. Energybone 05:13, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

It's clear that things got off to a rocky start... I've taken the liberty of changing the heading there in the hope of helping everyone settle down. Krupo 05:18, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Energybone, thanks very much for your opinions. However, if you are unable to work within our policies (No personal attacks, NPOV, and others), I'll be forced to ask you to leave Wikipedia. Please try to be more cooperative--work with me. I'd love to see you discuss your edits on Talk:Nick Berg conspiracy theories. Hopefully, Meelar 03:34, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Final warning? So you are threatening me? What is it you're threatening me with, exactly? And what is it I've done to deserve these threats? Can you please cite examples where you think I have done something wrong? Or are you simply making arbitrary threats so you can have an excuse to use your priveleged access to this system? Energybone 04:10, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

1. I'm threatening you with a temporary ban from editing, until you can follow our policies. 2. Things you've done wrong include:

• Calling Texture a "jackass"
• Shouting (using all caps) repeatedly after being asked to stop politely.
• This remark: No offense, Meelar, but is English not your native language? If it is, I suggest you take some remedial courses to bone up
• Refusal to propose compromise wording or generally work constructively on Talk:Nick Berg conspiracy theories

Yours, Meelar 04:15, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Clearly your intention is to police this article, Meelar. Have you drawn a lot for it or are you on a vigilante mission? Why is it you are insisting that I personally run every one of my changes to that page by you for approval before I post it? Is it your contention that one must approach you on a talk page each and every time they want to make a change to this page or is it just me you are singling out for this kind of treatment? I've already discussed my changes with you, and your insistence on policing this article to further your personal agenda is inappropriat and rude. I suggest you stop this immediately, because there ARE remedies for harassment here on wikipedia, that much I'll wager. Energybone 04:17, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

I'm certainly not suggesting that you--or any user--must run all changes by me. Rather, I objected to some of your changes, and suggested you take them up on the talk page, as per policy; you refused. Please work with others in a relatively harmonious manner, or you will be banned from editing. Thanks, Meelar 04:19, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Shouting? Are you for real? This is text. Can you not read capital letters? Why are you quibbling over such petty things when your obvious intention is to police this article and in particularly to personally police every single one of my changes. Can you explain this sort of behaviour to me so I can juxtapose it with examples of other users doing the same thing I'm doing without being harassed by you? And would you PLEASE (yes, in all caps, so you can see it better when you skim over this instead of reading it) stop spamming my talk page? I have only been contributing for one day, and just look at the garbage you've filled it with just in the last few minutes. Energybone 04:21, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

And most especially don't fill up this page with slander. I did not refuse to discuss anything. And you never did answer me, is English your native language? I have no way of knowing, but if you consistently misunderstand me when I am being very clear and nobody else seems to have this problem of understanding me then I wonder why. In this case I fell back on advice my father gave me about fixing lawnmowers. Try the simplest thing first. Don't understand me? I don't assume you are a cretin, or that you're uneducated, I assume that you are very intelligent but perhaps lack a firm grasp of English. If this is the case then I congratulate you, your English is much better than my Croation or Hindi would be. Energybone 04:33, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Refusal to offer compromise wording of what? Can you please cite on the talk page exactly what it is you want changed on the Nick Berg entry? For that matter, keep this discussion off my talk page, period. Energybone 04:35, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Ok, then, let's go to Talk:Nick Berg conspiracy theories. Meelar 04:37, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Energybone, you cannot turn an article to your beliefs, any more than anyone else can "own" an article. The Neutral Point of View policy is one of the core policies of Wikipedia. People are talking nicely to you here, because that is also policy, your being new (and because these are basically nice people) but also because some valuable contributors have had rocky starts. When an article is controversial, it is expected that editors will take their points of view to the Talk page. Nothing can force you to do that, but if unilateral edits, without consultation or citation, continue, the result begins with a 24-hour block and/or "Protection" of the disputed page.

Work with this community and this community will work with you. -- Cecropia | Talk 07:09, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

"Energybone, you cannot turn an article to your beliefs..."

Excuse me? Where did I attempt to do this? You mean when my belief was in line with verifiable fact? If you check your facts here I'm sure you'll see you're barking up the wrong tree. Energybone 07:12, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

For example, look at the talk pages.[1][2]

Bone up on the NPOV policy, please. WhisperToMe 07:22, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Okay. Now can you explain for me why you think I should? Feel free to cite existing problems with any of my changes. If you can not do that, I feel your advice is misplaced. Energybone 07:28, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

This has to do with the Silverstein stuff on the September 11 page, and the Al-Qaida stuff about the Israelis. WhisperToMe 18:16, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

The "stuff"? Is that all the more specific you're able to be? Not making any headway here, WhisperToMe, banging your head against a brick wall, WhisperToMe, stop this Quixotic quest of yours against me, WhisperToMe, stop aggresively policing factual information out of entries, WhisperToMe. AND STOP SLANDERING ME. If this were not a public forum where such behaviour is forbidden I would tell you exactly how much of a huge jackass I think you are. But since I respect the rules, I will not label you in that fashion and will instead allow people to see this for themselves based on your own actions. Energybone 18:29, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

And the reason you waited eleven hours to cite this CURRENT example? What were you doing, just waiting for me to make anouther change so you could cite it, WhisperToMe? As I said, your advice is misplaced. Clean up your own back yard. You couldn't cite examples when you said I needed to bone up, now you jump on the first changes I make since then. This is a pathetic and transparent ploy and it's not going to work, WhisperToMe, don't you realize you timestamped the comments? Please, you are not up for this task you're trying to undertake, WhisperToMe, leave it to those who are better-equipped for logical pursuits. Energybone 18:24, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Look, I'm just trying to come to an agreeable version of Nick Berg conspiracy theories. If you'd like to contribute to that--calmly and civilly--then feel free to do so. If you'd prefer to keep going as things have been, I'd ask that you leave me alone. Meelar 01:23, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

No, you're not, you're hounding me and you're recruting others to hound me for you by proxy. And I insist you stop it, Meelar. I don't prefer things keep going as they have been, because I think your behaviour is inexcusable. I've already cited one instance where you recruited another because you had "used up" your reverts. Now go away and stop bothering me, I've had it up to my neck with your foolishness and disrespect for wikipedia policy and common courtesy. You want ME to leave YOU alone? Bwa-hahahahahahah! :D Energybone 01:36, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

As I am sure you realise, I am not acting as Meelar's proxy. Meelar asked me to take a look at a page that I was already in the process of editing, and I have made my own edits. I do not know whether Meelar agrees with them or not. My edits are my own, not made on behalf of anyone. Mark Richards 01:38, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

Your denial is absolutely ludicrous. You know he asked you to revert because he had "used up" his and you went right along with it as if it was the proper thing to do. I think you need to take a good long look at yourself, you two have some kind of sick game going on here and I for one don't like it. Of course you two are free to collaborate in private as you desire, but be assured if you two openly conspire to violate common courtesy AND wikipedia policy in one fell swoop I'll have no choice but to expose you once again. Energybone 01:43, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment, as you mention, the evidence is there for everyone to draw their own conclusions. Mark Richards 01:48, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

Thank you again for your opinion EB, as you say, the facts speak for themselves. Mark Richards 05:03, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

Energybone please do not edit other peoples user pages. If you want to talk to them use thier talk pages. Also please do not make personal attcks or be rude to people in the summary box. It's not nice. theresa knott 14:51, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

Energybone, you have been warned several times about not making personal attacks, and yet you have not stopped. The next time you make one (in either a comment or an edit summary) and I'm going to ban you. Have a nice day. →Raul654 15:38, May 27, 2004 (UTC)

Energybone, I think you are well aware by now that there is no need in making edits to append personal characterizations of others users or to make personal attacks on other users' pages, and now on Kingturtle's User page. You have been told this multiple times and persist. If you continue, I will block you for an initial 24 hours as a cooling off period. -- Cecropia | Talk 15:41, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

I have blocked this user for for 24 hours for vandalizing Al-Qaida (diff) →Raul654 17:06, May 27, 2004 (UTC)

Al-Qaeda

Please don't just wipe out an entire article. You're free to come up with a better version and ask on the talk page for consensus on whether it should replace the existing article, but just deleting everything is considered vandalism. Dori | Talk 17:07, May 27, 2004 (UTC)

(See above) →Raul654 17:11, May 27, 2004 (UTC)

Your vandalism

Please do not vandalize articles. Your vandalism of the Sept 11th article is inexcusable. The 9-11 attack was not an "insurance fraud" by the owners of the twin towers. I can only call your recent edits vandalism and if you continue you will be blocked from editing. - Tεxτurε 17:09, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

(See above) →Raul654 17:11, May 27, 2004 (UTC)

As someone not involved in the editing of these articles, I want to say I entirely agree with the block. Such behaviour, effectively blanking three major articles, is unacceptable. Regardless of the correctness of your views, you need to listen to what other people are saying. DJ Clayworth 17:13, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

Hello from Cecropia

Ah, just when I was starting to believe you were buckling down to more serious editing. But you're right, I could use some sleep. While I slumber, amuse yourself by reasing the article on WikiLove -- Cecropia | Talk 05:21, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Energybone, I banned you once already for vandalizing articles and harassing other users. If you continue to be rude and insulting, I'm going to ban you again for a lot longer. →Raul654 05:27, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Please vote to curb abuse of "conspiracy theory" in WP titles

Please consider voting at:

Wikipedia:Conspiracy_theory

to rename articles that use the pejorative term "Conspiracy theory" to denigrate the content of the article.

Do the titles of WP articles generally pass partisan judgment on the subject under discussion? Should they? BrandonYusufToropov 03:06, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

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