Talk:Who Ate All the Pies?

Major rework undertaken

I have done a rework on this to make it a little more polished - hope you like it now! Brookie:the wind in the grass 15:56, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Should be dramatically expanded so someone not knowledgable about English or Scottish football can understand significance. --Daniel C. Boyer 17:23, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Definitely. The article seems almost entirely worthless right now. --Shallot 10:58, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Or deleted. Surely you must be joking? I thought this was meant to be a serious encyclopedia -- or at least, meant to be taken seriously. This article does nothing to help establish Wikipedia as a credible and respected source of information. -- Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 13:54, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

You could always contribute instead of sniping! :) Brookie: A collector of little round things 16:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

The connection with Willie Foulke is tenuous, to say the least, for reasons I have given in the article (and which were subsequently deleted. I thought this was supposed to be a democratic site.)

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The following text was on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion, and related to the proposed deletion of two pages about individual football chants. The first was turned into a redirect, and discussion moved to Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion. The status of the second (this one) remains undecided. There is no consensus to delete it, but some argument about whether it should have a separate article or be merged into football chant. -- Oliver P. 16:20, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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• Posh Spice Takes it Up the Arse and Who ate all the pies are short notes on British soccer chants. At best merge into a single Soccer chants page. Bmills 15:42, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is an important chant and should have its own article. Voyager640 15:26, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • Delete. First is offensive and should not be a title of an article, but it can be in a soccer chants article (no redirect). The latter could also be merged, I also slightly favor no redirect as well since articles on every chant/slogan will make searches for material including words more difficult. Navigating from Soccer to Soccer chants or whatever is easy. Daniel Quinlan 17:59, Nov 26, 2003 (UTC)
  • The former I redirected to Victoria Beckham, and listed on wikipedia:redirects for deletion (bearing Daniel's comments in mind). No opinion on latter. Martin 21:21, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • First is offensive as a title. A page on chants linked to and from soccer makes sense. I've tried to improve it a bit now with a few links. Keep the chants page now. seglea 22:41, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Delete, put slogan into appropriate article. Delete the redirects too. Fuzheado 09:04, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Note that the original author has removed the VfD notice from Who ate all the pies. Bmills 11:57, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • These chants are part of football culture and therefore valid. Although potentially offensive as a title in its own right, I think the article itself shows that it is a serious piece of work. Given that wikipedia has all sorts of articles you could class as offensive, I can't see why these ones have been singled out.(comment written by article author Astrotrain)
    • How can an article simply about the chant ever become substantial? Surely it would be better to write about it in the context of the long and varied story of David and Victoria Beckham - otherwise it just seems a tiny article on a childish chant that got sung at Man U games from about two seasons. (I write this because I notice you undid the redirect that Martin put in). Pete 17:02, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Regardless of the title, I cannot see how it is encyclopedic to cover them individually. A single chants page would make a better and more useful article. Plus, I believe the VfD notification should remain until a consensus is achieved. Bmills 16:57, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Incorporate both in one soccer chant page to rule them all, delete the redirects. orthogonal 04:04, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Whether as articles or redirects, keep, for information on authorship (required by the GFDL), to enable people to find the content easily, and to prevent later editors from inadvertently adding the same content again. -- Oliver P. 09:00, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)
    • Authorship isn't an issue, because the information moved out of that article amounts to a couple of sentences. Can't we just ensure they aren't copies, as the same way as we would when basing a couple of sentences on a copyrighted source? Onebyone 13:29, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • There are other ways to keep the page history in order to retain authorship such as moving the page to Talk:Football chant/page history for example. I think both should be redirected to Football chant. Angela 21:45, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • Redirect. Does anybody dispute that these are genuine soccer chants?JackLynch 20:49, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • Even if the authorship question is not an issue, or can be worked around, I think my second and third points are still valid. A fourth point: keeping them allows people to link the chants directly in future, without having to search for where the content on them is. A fifth point: if people would just merge and redirect these sorts of things when they came up, it would save a lot of space on Vfd. A sixth point: I've added some content to Who ate all the pies? that relates to the chant but not to football chants in general, so merging would be a bit silly now! -- Oliver P. 03:28, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
    • In a purely academic fashion, I note that an article on football chants in general might have sections on particular chants, and that the extra information is no bar to merging these articles in such a fashion. -- Cyan 03:33, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • Merge to a single chants page. Each does not deserve its own article. Tempshill 00:23, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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Question on University Challenge!

I hope you'll forgive a comment that has nothing to do with improving this article, but I think this is quite amusing. On University Challenge this evening, there was a group of questions about this slogan, and one of them asked what the variant used by the Vegetarian Society as a slogan was. Now, it just so happens that I added the part about the Vegetarian Society to this article. Before that, there was only about one Google match for the phrase; now there are lots, mostly due to copying from Wikipedia. So I would be willing to bet that the question setters got the idea from this very article! And hence, by extension, from me. :) Lucky I didn't just make it up, isn't it? I hope they checked a more reliable source before going ahead and setting it as a question, though, because it would be quite worrying if they were treating Wikipedia as gospel... (Oh, and it probably goes without saying, but the contestants didn't get the answer.) -- Oliver P. 22:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I was watching this as well - and commented that the question seemed to have come from here! Power to the Wiki! Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Whisper...) 06:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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Second verse

Should additional verses be included? For example, "Who had chips as well?" Mahahahaneapneap (talk) 02:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't see why not. Particularly if it's commonly sung. Expect some sperg from America or somewhere who's never heard the song or seen a round football to edit it back out though, people are ridiculously fragile-egoed and possessive on this thing, really not what it was intended to be, but that's what happens when you expect work for no money. You get those who find their "reward" in other ways, and the pettier the power, the pettier the person.

Anyway, pardon that, but I felt duty-bound to warn you, even improving an article sets off the wrong-brains of some. But yes you (anyone) should! Perhaps different regions have different versions. But that'd be "original research", according to people who've never been to a match cos they're scared of men in crowds. That brings down the tone of a song about fat bastards.

90.243.234.191 (talk) 13:41, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Knees up Mother Brown

I'm not a songatologist, but if this song preceded "Knees Up Mother Brown", could it be that Mother Brown took it's tune from "Pies"? The latter, to this day, is well known among working-class people and probably more as well. We even sang it at school as kids, years ago (though not in sight of a teacher!). So whoever composed "Knees Up" might well have known it. Maybe Mother Brown is one of those cases of a rude song adapted for the music hall to be slightly less rude, there were plenty of those.

Particularly, the lyrics fit the tune perfectly. As if one was created for the other, and usually song lyrics are at least altered, if not created, to fit in with a tune. Have the lyrics always been the same, even pre-Mother Brown? It's compelling evidence. Football chants tend to develop organically in the stands and pubs, sometimes to existing tunes, sometimes not.

90.243.234.191 (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Who wrote this crap?

>In England, fans at football games sometimes eat meat pies before kick-off or at half-time. On occasion there are not enough pies to go round and so any player looking a little overweight gets heckled with the question "Who ate all the pies?".

I'm unsurprised that this isn't cited, because it's a load of unsubstantiated rubbish. 'Who ate all the pies' is a general phrase (in England at least, I can't speak for the US) to take the piss out of a fat person. The idea that its origin is specifically linked to meat pies at football games just has no basis whatsoever. Can I remove this paragraph? Jthistle38 (talk) 12:32, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jthistle38: Be Bold and delete it if you think it isn't correct. Padgriffin ^{Griffin's Nest} 12:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)