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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. ugen64 21:12, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bryan Schwor

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'Bryan Schwor is a 2004 movie directed by Neil Vanos.... but IMDB hasn't heard of it (or Vanos), and Google seems not to have done so either. The budget is minuscule (we are told); perhaps the noteworthiness of this film (if it even exists) is correspondingly minuscule. -- Hoary 08:02, 2005 Apr 13 (UTC)

  • Delete, not notable, possible hoax. Megan1967 08:36, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete notable films always have some sort of presence. Even festival films are listed somewhere. This one isn't. Mgm|(talk) 10:13, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, I have personally seen this film. The films lack of budget is quite obvious. It is about 45 minutes long and is relatively amusing, though the editing is less than perfect. The Silly Goose group are students at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington. Their company has no affiliation with the university, although their films are known on campus. While not incredibly notable, I would say it doesn't deserve deletion. Jim8675309 16:45, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
    • User has 4 edits. --InShaneee 19:12, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable, unverifiable. Xezbeth 16:49, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete not notable, appears to be vanity. --InShaneee 19:12, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete non-notable indie film. Dave the Red (talk) 19:39, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not incredibly notable = Not incredibly notable, possible vanity. VladMV ٭ talk 22:37, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep I live in Idaho, near Pullman. I haven't seen the film, but have certianly heard of it. This is somewhat of a local cult film, but to persons living in the northwest this would definately be interesting. ...posted anonymously (and at the very top) by Zechenia edit: sorry for the top post thing, I am kind of new to the editing feature
  • Keep I saw Bryan Schwor at a Spokane theatre, though I live in Pullman, about three hours away. I drove to Spokane specifically to see Schwor after it became the topic of discussion on the WSU campus and in Pullman coffee shops (I am something of a small-budget film nut--there are a lot of gems hidden out there, and Bryan Schwor rates high on the list of films produced locally). I would estimate that 95% of WSU students and people living in Pullman have heard of or watched the movie, not to mention all the rural communities in the PNW. MooVluvr 21:17, 13 April 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Eventual Inland Northwest cult classic!!! JoseMonzako
    • User has two edits.
  • Keep.saw this film at the lewiston fair. Relevance is minor, though I can corroborate that it does exist. CalveroTheFlame
    • User has ten edits.
  • I exist too, as far as you know. Delete as sockpuppet-supported vanity. - Lucky 6.9 05:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Non-Voting Comment: All newbs votes shouldn't count. I mean, if they haven't had their accounts longer than this discussion it's inconceivable that they have edited articles without having accounts. They must be sockpuppets.
  • That would seem more the sort of logic that (in certain contexts) people derride as "consipiracy theory." It's not inconceivable that people would edit articles without having accounts - I did so myself for a bit before I registered this one. But you are right that it is overwhelmingly unlikely that a whole bunch of new people would sign on just in time to vote on a VFD. Any one case could be coincidence, but a whole lot of them at once is very unlikely. Anyway - enough of my rant for now - I gotta run to class delete. --Blackcats 19:00, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Although many users outside of the inland northwest might not know the story, many people may want to keep this if they are searching for short films that have humor. Definite keepppp3
    • User has 5 edits. --InShaneee 21:02, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Though I have not heard of it, nor seen it, it is possible that it exists. This is how Napolean Dynomite began. Dr Ingel 01:40, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • User joined Wikipedia today. --InShaneee 21:05, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Non voting comment, Just because someone has new does not mean that they have not read the articles or have an honest opinion. It is for reasons like this that Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers was created
      • Those sub-comments aren't really intended as newby-biting, that just a side-effect. The idea is that admins and others can judge if something is a relatively neutral opinion from a regular user, or a possibly biased opinion from an outsider connected with the article. Kappa 21:15, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable, unverifiable, sockpuppet supported. Jayjg (talk) 22:59, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: I notice that the article is now sprouting red links to not-yet articles on the otherwise unknown filmmakers. -- Hoary 03:52, 2005 Apr 15 (UTC)
  • Keep Although I haven't heard of the film, it seems reliable enough, does it not? Or do people often post fake stuff? I'm new to this whole Wikipedia thing... posted at 04:17, 2005 Apr 15 by 4.191.36.22
  • Delete. People post fake stuff all the time, and this is an example. IMDb never heard of it, and they'll list anything. "Brian Schwor" vanos yields 0 google hits. Article is awfully written to boot, and is less than credible. -R. fiend 14:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment The Wikipedia:Vanity page describes vanity as an article which describes a person, but says "Articles about start-up businesses or musicians are not vanity pages and are considered acceptable, but it's preferable that the initial author not be someone affiliated with the project." This may be a small film companies movie, but by wikipedia's standards is not vanity. It should also be noted that "A page should not be cast away as 'vanity' simply because the subject is not famous. There is presently no consensus about what degree of recognition is required for a page to be included in Wikipedia, and therefore, lack of fame should be completely ignored in deletion debates." -Zechenia 11:51, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep I'm not a member so i dont know if my vote even counts, but i'll throw my two cents in here: its a small movie and small movie company. The whole point of wikipedia is you can find articles you normally can't find in other sources. Just like the articles on various California highways and their history: are they notable? If you live in the area, yes. Article worthy? Will some people find it interesting? Apparently yes. It's being snobish to say "It doesn't count because it's small, even though it meets the Wikipedia basic standards, it doesn't meet our standards." The Wikipedia-Masters out there might wanna just relax a little. Also, there's some sockpuppet stuff going on here though, which is stupid.
    • Comment I resent being called a puppet. Yes, I was new at the time I posted my vote, but I am still an active member. The Bryan Schwor article was just the first thing I saw that I thought I should contribute too after creating my account. MooVLuvr 19:35, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not on imdb, zero Google hits that are not Wikipedia and its mirrors. In fact, the first Google hit is this VfD page. Besdies, the sockpuppet level has been exceeded. RickK 21:36, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Funny movie. --168.212.126.126 21:05, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)~
    • Anon has 6 edits. VladMV ٭ talk 16:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep FroggyMoore 23:11, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. How can we take this movie seriously when it's movie company's web site is on GeoCities, a free web hosting service. [1] Zzyzx11 | Talk 02:31, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: Oh? A Geocities URL is a superb bit of reverse snobbery and one of the few endearing features of the company. It's far better than the obvious alternative: www.veryimpressivename.com, mere vanity URL gimmickry leading (via the unnecessary complication of frames) to Geocities or similar. -- Hoary 02:54, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
  • Delete vanity CDC (talk) 03:28, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Regardless of how noteworthy it currently is, I see no truly compelling reason why this article should be deleted. Cries of vanity seem like an excuse to silence these "Schwor" zealots. The film appears to be, and in all likelihood, a small student-based film by a new motion picture company supported by unusually devoted fans and their respective sockpuppets. We should notice that many great film makers have had similiar beginnings. For example: Trey Parkers film Cannibal! The Musical, which has origins very similiar to this film. --Fritz9000 07:27, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • And many insignificant filmmakers have had similar beginnings. Potential to become notable some time in the future does not make something encyclopedic. Gamaliel 18:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Fritz' account was created today. RickK 19:57, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Question: before we even begin considering keeping this article, can anyone offer any proof whatsoever that this film even exists? -R. fiend 13:43, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Nope. RickK 19:57, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes. According to their website, you can buy the DVD. You have to mail them or e-mail them. --67.106.16.59 02:52, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • So, in order to verify that this film, which gets ZERO Google hits, exists, somebody has to send this fly-by-night company money and just HOPE that they actually send a DVD? RickK 20:47, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete due to non-notability and sockpuppet activity. Gamaliel 18:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This movie is so sweet. --67.106.16.59 02:52, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Anon has 6 edits. VladMV ٭ talk 16:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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