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Merger with Tampa Bay

Someone with more Wikipedia experience than I have should merge this article with Tampa Bay. Art LaPella 18:17, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Not any more. That was then, this is now. Art LaPella 19:51, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Just the same, I'm moving sections from the Tampa Bay article that would be a better fit here. A good rule of thumb I'm using is if it has to do with water, it should be at Tampa Bay. If it deals primarily (or exclusively) with land, this is the article for it. Someone should address the naval history of Tampa Bay at the bay article. There's not much there now that won't be merged over here in time, and yet I think a decent article about Tampa Bay (the estuary, that is) can still be written. -- JeffBillman (talk) 04:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Counties

Are Citrus, Hardee and Highlands officially part of the MSA? I'd seriously wonder about the last of those especially... - Aerobird

Hillsborough, Pinellas, Pasco and Hernando counties comprise the MSA.Blaze33541 (talk) 01:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Populations

Where did those figures come from for city populations. Many of them are not correct Right off the bat I noticed some that were significantly smaller than the last census data.. Nolesrule 02:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What are you referring to? The source for the populations of inhabited places should be the U.S. Census Bureau, and the cities I checked do indeed cite the Centsus Bureau, although they vary on which year's figures they use. -- Donald Albury 09:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone had put in population figures for individual cities. It has since been removed. Myu point that they were off was that for the city of Seminole in Pinellas County, the person put in a population of 2k, while it is in reality over 10k. There were other such errors, but all those figures were removed last week. Nolesrule 20:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the edits of the anon due to the fact that the numbers were unsourced and mostly incorrect. --Moreau36 20:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics

I merged this and other sections here from Tampa Bay, but these desperately need citations & other cleanup. Also, I'm not wild about the wikitables in the Demographics section, at least not as they are now. Would someone like to clean them up a bit, or remove them entirely, so they don't stick out like a sore thumb in the article? -- JeffBillman (talk) 04:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Created subpages

I created two new, temporary subpages for this article to contain info that I removed from the article at Tampa Bay. These are Tampa Bay Area/Industry and Tampa Bay Area/Education. Please help me in reviewing these subpages, adding sources, etc. so that we may include them in this article. Thank you. -- JeffBillman (talk) 16:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

We really need to merge Tampa Bay Area/Industry here. When I was a younger, more foolish Wikipedian, I created that article to serve as a temporary sub-page to hold info from Tampa Bay until it could be merged into this article. Little did I know that nothing is as permanent as a temporary Wikipedia article. After merging, we will need to delete that sub-page. Thanks. -- JeffBillman (talk) 02:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Besides which, subpages violate policy - Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Subpages. :-) That means the only alternatives are rename it to something like Industry in the Tampa Bay Area, or merge it into the Tampa Bay Area article. Given the size of the page, I support the merge. -- Donald Albury 10:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the merge. Let's make it happen. Zeng8r (talk) 00:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Made it happen. LALaker13 (talk) 20:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image for Clearwater

I have contacted Volkert & Associates, Inc. asking for permission to use their image (http://www.volkert.com/images/Awards/Clearwater_Pass_Bridge_Day.jpg) on this page. The current image representing Clearwater is of very poor quality; hardly anything distinguishable can be seen. Upon obtaining permission, I believe the image I've linked will be the best option, as it is an excellent depiction of the Clearwater area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aceofelves (talk • contribs) 22:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I live in Tampa, and travel to Clearwater and Largo on a weekly basis. If anyone needs a user generated photo, I'm available to take one (provided the landmark is not out of my way.) Chiefmiz (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Combined Statistical Area?

This article refers in several places to a Tampa Bay Combined Statistical Area. The Table of United States Combined Statistical Areas states that Tampa has no associated CSA. Which is right? --Mhockey (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The table is correct, there is no Tampa Bay CSA, I have no idea what those CSA #'s are supposed to be counting, but they aren't from the Census. Kmusser (talk) 18:50, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have now removed refs to the non-existent CSA, and clarified definitions.--Mhockey (talk) 22:17, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Population?

Um, Tampa doesn't have 4 million people. It has 2.7 million. Look at this website: http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=DEC_10_NSRD_GCTPL2.US24PR&prodType=table — Preceding unsigned comment added by MPQzy (talk • contribs) 20:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this does not appear to be the correct data. According to the White House OMB Bullentin document (pdf page 56) ^[1] says the Tampa Metropolitan Statistical Area counties are Hernando, Hillsborough, Pasco and Pinellas. And according to the Census their estimate for these four counties in 2014 is 2,912,504 ^[2]Gspeed0689 (talk) 22:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Revised Delineations of Metropolitan Statistical Areas, Micropolitan Statistical Areas, and Combined Statistical Areas, and Guidance on Uses of the Delineations of These Areas" (PDF). Executive Office of the President. Retrieved February 10, 2016.
^ "Census Quick Facts". United States Census Bureau. Retrieved February 10, 2016.

Strip clubs

I have removed the following from the article:

===Strip Clubs===

The Tampa Bay area is reported to be home to about 50 strip clubs.<ref>http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/economicdevelopment/article1226121.ece</ref>

This was previously removed by another editor and then reinserted. I am bringing this back here for to see if there is a consensus to have this in the article, and if so, to discuss where it fits best. -- Donald Albury 09:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the point of including the info in this article, especially not as a separate section, as it's clearly overemphasizing a small factoid far beyond what is necessary. Should we add another section mentioning the number of surf shops in the area, or a tally of restaurants that serve Cuban sandwiches? It gets silly pretty quickly.

On the other hand, if it's not already there, I could see adding a cited mention of the adult industry in the main Tampa, Florida article since that's the particular city in the area that has a reputation for such things. It would only need to be a brief mention in either the economy or culture section, though, not a separate section even there. Zeng8r (talk) 10:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I assume that all major metropolitan areas have a lot of adult entertainment related businesses. I found one site that lists 34 strip clubs in the three counties of Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach, and I don't think that includes all the topless bars. I don't see a section for that industry in the South Florida metropolitan area article. I know other editors may not agree, but I think Wikipedia articles on cities should be about what distinguishes each city, not about what is the same in all cities. The notoriety that Times Square achieved in New York before it was "cleaned up" is well documented, and suitable for coverage in WP. What kind of sources are available for the adult entertainment industry in the Tampa Bay area, as opposed to metropolitan areas in general? The cited article isn't really comparing the Tampa Bay adult entertainment industry with other cites, but rather commenting on how the Republican convention is expected to boost that industry's business, but the same thing is true for many other business sectors in the area. The convention is an ephemeral event, worth some mention in the article, but the boost to the adult entertainment business sector is perhaps too small an item to mention there. -- Donald Albury 13:27, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I added the section was that I was frankly struck by the article's mention of FIFTY strip clubs in the area. This seemed a huge number to me, as my experience in California has been that these establishments are much fewer in number. Maybe it's a regional difference, though, and there probably isn't enough hard data available to distinguish the Tampa Bay Area on this subject from other metro areas. But the article does note, albeit subjectively, that strip clubs are "one of Tampa's signature industries." And it was enough of an issue that in January of this year politifact.com saw fit to evaluate the validity of the claim that Tampa is "the strip club capital of the world." While they could not find data to support that claim, that the question was raised speaks to the notoriety of strip clubs in the area. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jan/13/ellyn-bogdanoff/tampa-strip-club-capital-world/

RedHead24 (talk) 19:33, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Doing a little OR, I'm a bit surprised. I googled strip clubs for Tampa, and the two US metro areas closest to it in size, San Diego and St. Louis. I did find something called an "ultimate strip club list" for each city, with the same domain name and the same appearance on screen, so the lists may be comparable. The results: San Diego, 33 clubs listed; St. Louis, 21; Tampa, 53. Now, are there any reliable sources that capture that? -- Donald Albury 21:33, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If the figures you found are close to accurate then it does seem Tampa has a significantly greater number of clubs than some other metro areas comparable in size. Still, the number alone may not tell the whole story; the sizes of the clubs, the numbers of patrons, and the relative social acceptance of strip clubs would seem important to know before arriving at a conclusion that this form of recreation is remarkable in Tampa. As I don't have any special interest in the region, I'll leave it to others to decide whether they want to perform more contextual research. Thanks for the dialogue.RedHead24 (talk) 09:15, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I live off of Dale Mabry Hwy, so I'm well aware of this issue. It is a quirky fact (about the city of Tampa in particular) which is cited in the local news every so often. I see no reason not to keep it in the article. Chiefmiz (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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[OMB-MSA-Defs-1] "Revised Delineations of Metropolitan Statistical Areas, Micropolitan Statistical Areas, and Combined Statistical Areas, and Guidance on Uses of the Delineations of These Areas" (PDF). Executive Office of the President. Retrieved February 10, 2016.

[CensusTable-2] "Census Quick Facts". United States Census Bureau. Retrieved February 10, 2016.

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