Talk:Masayoshi Son

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Why is this article singling out SoftBank deals?

Like for example, there is currently a section about Arm Holdings. Why does this article about Masayoshi Son need to cover this specifically? --Ysangkok (talk) 16:54, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need to merge all of this information into one section named 'SoftBank' and discuss Masayoshi's role in the company's founding and major company information (similar to what we see on the pages for Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos etc.). Having the Arm Holdings information in there makes sense, assuming you are going to highlight the deal and then focus on the fact that as a result of the deal, Son is now the Chairman of ARM. Abacrombi (talk) 10:48, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, just stuck all of those under a new section for SoftBank. Could use some expansion though, probably could take some material from the dedicated article for the company. - Indefensible (talk) 20:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bachelor's degree

it says he majored in Engineering, but graduated with in Economics? is this a typo or did he change majors? Nswix (talk) 23:01, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV concerns

The summary section and section on the Vision Fund do not appear to meet the standards for a neutral point of view for a biography of a living person (WP:BLP). These sections read as unbalanced in their over-emphasis on negative, sometimes hyperbolic commentary on the subject's character in a manner that may be potentially libelous. Farmlandsavannahpuck (talk) 23:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree with this assessment. It is possible the summary section and Vision Fund sections have been changed since written. I think the removal of the unbalanced and neutrality tags is warranted. --VViking_TalkEdits 20:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It appears all the potentially libelous content was added by a single user. Looking further into it, but meanwhile, statements such as those questioning a living person's sanity definitely needs to be removed. Quiltedcastle73 (talk) 20:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BLP is not a license to delete cited content. Wikipedia reports on negative claims about living people all the time. MrOllie (talk) 20:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If user:Quiltedcastle73 was just removing the one line about his sanity being questioned I would be more willing to go along with the WP:BLP argument. however this appears to be more of a case of White Washing the article. Information about his poor investment decisions and the fact that most of his deals have failed, which are cited to Reliable Sources are also being removed.--VViking_TalkEdits 20:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did remove the part about the media questioning his sanity. While well sourced, it could be worded in a less POV fashion. If as the articles I read didn't specifically question his sanity, just stated in the headline "Crazy" or eccentric who believes ..."I will let others add that specific section back in and would ask to make it a little POV.--VViking_TalkEdits 20:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree with this statement and do not support removal of the NPOV tag as the article currently stands. Not even close and this would fairly miserably in any Good Article or Featured Article peer review. Cited, even well cited, does not mean balanced. The criticisms, while possibly valid, are both excessively gratuitous on the competency and character of the individual and overly detailed for the lede. A controversial figure indeed, but the article appears to go out of ways and almost gleefully, to repeatedly draw the point of how stupid or bad this person is viewed by multiple sources and people. Attributed opinions are typically left out of the lede because they the words of others and not the voice of the encyclopedia in introducing a subject matter to the read with the facts. I’ve been on Wikipedia a long time and I’ve never seen an article written about a major public figure of one of the largest companies in the world written in this tone, deserved or otherwise, even if they are widely vilified. This isn’t Newsweek. There is plenty of opportunity in the appropriate sections below to breakdown reputation, track record, etc. Mkdw ^talk 05:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I'd consider the content valid as a personal opinion, but it doesn't belong in an Encyclopedia. If you're investing in hundreds of high-risk high-return ventures, the expectation is that you'll have bad years where you look stupid and great years where you look like a genius. As we speak, the increase in the value of the acquired Arm holdings shares easily exceeds the losses from WeWork. Wikipedia articles need to maintain a more neutral tone. Dplre (talk) 18:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As an example, citations like these don't belong anywhere on Wikipedia: https://www.valuewalk.com/softbanks-worst-startup-investments/

Finance listicles like this aren't reliable sources. It lists investments SoftBank made profits on (like Uber) as their biggest failures as well. Dplre (talk) 18:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]