Talk:North Bay, Ontario

Canada

shd: Is this place in Canada? You should mention the country in all articles describing a place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shd (talk • contribs) 7 February 2003.

Are you an idiot? Where do you think Ontario is? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.226.10.99 (talk • contribs) 1 October 2005.

Don't be rude. The person who posted this is from Finland, and probably isn't an expert on Canadian geography. And we do have to be as specific as possible on Wikipedia; we can never just assume that people have knowledge of where Ontario is, whether we think they should or not. Bearcat 05:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, we must be rude, but the guy from Finland should know that Ontario is in Canada because it stated it earlier in the website. Jonathan Schmitt Sudbury, Ontario, Sony rules...

Each article on Wikipedia is an independent entity. There's no such thing as "earlier in the website". Bearcat 22:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Population

Whoever changed the population figure to 55,248, could you please provide a source? Wikipedia does not post random population estimates; we use actual census data. Which means, like it or not, that the 2001 population stays on the article until the 2006 census data is released. Bearcat 08:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Write more stuff

Hey somebody besides me should write more stuff on North Bay. There's not enough space for the pictures. We could remove some pictures but that would just be a crime. ColenFace 09:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Sources Needed

Great article, but no sources. It would be a shame to have to delete whole sections because of this. Anyone have any ideas on this? BFD1 01:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

No deletion of sections is warranted or necessary, a simple google search of the Studio 2 "talented towns" program aired on TVO in 2004 will verify their selection of North Bay as being a highly artistic community. Likewise, regarding the city's top employers, the city of North Bay website has a list of the city's top 100 employers and the top 10 employers are all from the public sector. This information is there for all to see if they just take a minute to find it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.179.9 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for your input. Those sources need to be cited in the article, it's not enough to assume the reader will go look them up himself. To assume so would kind of defy the logic of an encyclopedia. If you can add some links to the article, that would be great. (See WP:Cite for tips.) Otherwise, you could copy and paste the URLs to this talk page and I will place them into the article. BFD1 14:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

From what I have seen, as being a resident of North Bay, the people who are fixated with only using information that can be backed up by awful sources ruin the articles. I for one would like to see the sources that considers roads (being Cooks Mills, Feronia, and other garbage like that) "communities." There is such thing as common knowledge information that if found in more than four sources does not need to be cited (unless a direct quote), but oh wait, wikipedia doesn't work this way like the rest of the academic world. What a joke this is. Also, many people consider web page articles (ones you can hyperlink) weak sources because in many cases they can not be verified, if it is from an online database, sure the person can leave a link but many databases like this require a paid login. Last time i opened an encyclopedia to look something up (a book encyclopedia), the article did not have hyperlinks nor did it have sources written all over the place. To do that and to cite bad sources in my mind would defy the logic of an encyclopedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.13.72.231 (talk) 21:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

New "Mayor" section.

I added a Mayor section because, well, because I live in North Bay and thought there should be a mayor section. Add what you want into this section as long as it's correct. Like if you know whenthere is a new mayor, write it in, and put past mayor's below. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andokool12 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

Snow

why aren't there any pictures of north bay during winter. north bay has the longest coldest winters ever, and showing pictures of north bay during the summer is like trying to make it look nicer than it really is so people come here, like anyone would want to come to our little town anyways, freezing during the winter, covered in shadflies during what summer(what little amount of summer we have), not to mention the increasing bad weather each summer. was last summers tornado even mentioned on this page?

platinum blonde 05:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Last summers tornado was not mentioned because it was not actually a tornado, it was an intense storm with strong microbursts that would explain the fact that there was never a single path of anything destroyed but yet sporatic patches that got hit worse than others. And without photoshop how can they make it look nicer than it is, that is how it looks like in the summer, where is the bias, thats when a lot of the outdoor activities happen anyways. I have an idea, how about you go out and take some pictures of the snow... but oh wait... its March and we have none. By the way, it does reach 30C sometimes unless you only stay here for the winter and migrate south for the summer. Also the shadfly season does not span the whole summer, its more like 2-4 weeks at most, and as far as I am concerned the weather has been getting better. Do what you want, but you make little sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.13.72.231 (talk) 21:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

communities?

   * Airport Hill
   * Birchaven
   * Camp Champlain
   * Champlain Park
   * Cooks Mills
   * Feronia
   * Ferris
   * Graniteville
   * Hornell Heights
   * Lounsbury
   * Marshall Park
   * Nipissing Junction
   * North Bay
   * Pinewood
   * Redbridge
   * Sunset Park
   * Thorncliff
   * Trout Mills
   * Widdifield

those are the communities of north bay, where I live. i will say right now there are no separate communities in north bay, just areas/subdivisions. it just looks like the author ripped these names off the bus routes, which are going to be changed this summer as it is.

airport hill is not a community, it is a hill. if you are wondering what the name of the subdivision is up there, it is called wallace heights.

birchaven in a subdivision on trout lake. camp champlain is not a community but a campground on lake nipissing.

champlain park is a provincial park on highway 17 east.

cooks mills, i dont even know what that is.

feronia, once again, what is that?

ferris, yes there is a ferris, called West Ferris, it is one of the three communities that amalgamated in the 1960's to form the city of north bay.

graniteville, one again, a subdivision.

Hornell Heights is a busroute and the former name of the CFB base here until the city tokk over in the late 1990's.

lounsbury, dont know what that is.

Marshall Park, a part of West Ferris.

Nipissing Junction, an old mto inspection station on a road leading to callendar, as well a bus route ending at a strip club.

north bay, the city itself.

pinewood, once again, a subdivision.

redbridge, an independant village outside of north bay and a former bus route.

sunset park, a school in north bay.

thorncliff, dont know what that is.

trout mills, dont know what that is.

widdifield, one of the former three to make north bay, and a high school.

if you are going to post the "communities" of north bay, get them right please and dont just rip off bus route names

Speaking of which, if you are going to make it just out of the bus routes and bus display signs, i would like to see: College, Campus special, Lakeshore, Downtown, Overload, Waterfront, Thibault, Out of Service, welcome aboard, and "Welcome to north bay" as parts of north bay... Why not even include the bus model as an area, Orion V, MCI Classic, D40LF. I hear there is even an area called "Stop requested" and "wait until the green light to open the door" also "please exit via rear door" as well as "release lever to open emergency exit"

As for what was said above, it is totally correct, none of these "communities" have any reflection as to what this city is as a whole, many of them are streets and neighbourhoods and others are schools and bus routes as said before. I just wish the clowns that throw this garbage together would listen to the people in the area instead of assuming they are always right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.64.11.244 (talk • contribs).

Hello, and thanks for your input. You've clearly outlined a problem with the article, namely that there is currently no reliable source for the information about communities. Thanks for taking the trouble to state the correct names here on the talk page. For now I am just going to remove the section from the article entirely. You can insert the community names as you have stated them above if you can provide a reliable source which verifies those name. This is simply a matter of procedure. Thanks again for your contributions - I hope you like wikipedia and decide to stick around! BFD1 15:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, removing the "neighbourhoods" might be overkill. I am just going to tag the section as requiring citations for now. Cheers. BFD1 15:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

A lot of the neighbourhoods were taken from some maps I have. I think others users added some more. To verify their existance, I reccomend using the Statistics Canada website and typing them in to the search function with GeoSearch. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I would love to see these so called maps that considers Lakeshore drive and Marshall park drive an area of the city. I for one would love to see you verify your data as well and give support for it because... to be honest... it is totally wrong. I live in North Bay and don't really feel like going out of my way to please someone like you who thinks they know my city. As for the criedibility of wikipedia, I think it is awful because of know-it-all people like you who run it. No wonder even High School kids are discouraged from using it as a source. I can tell you one thing... that map you have is stating the roads in the outskirts such as Ferronia and Cooks Mills which I believe are off highway 63 which heads east towards Quebec. Take a look for yourself... or maybe take a course on reading maps. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.187.25.125 (talk) 21:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Please be civil in your conversations with other editors. This really isn't the place for personal attacks, and carrying on in such a manner is liable to reduce your credibility, not help it. BFD1 18:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Feronia was formerly it's own township until absorbed by the city of North Bay. Feronia lies to the East of North Bay, along Highway 63, and falls between Penninsula Road and Widdifield Station Road, and borders the former Widdifield twp. to the North, with it's "commercial centre" in and around the intersection of Highway 63 and Four Mile Lake Road, where a train station/loading platform used to be. It is indeed currently part of North Bay, and at one point had a public rink and Feronia Public School (converted into a woodworking shop in the mid 1980's), both under the jurisdiction and maintained by the City of North Bay.

Sunset Park is a public school which was converted to a separate school, and relocated farther down Lakeshore Drive on the opposite side of the street. Sunset Park is also a city park at the end of Premier Road. Sunset Park is also the area along the shore of Lake Nippissing betwwen Booth Road and Sunset Point...To the best of my knowledge, I have never found any reference to a district specifically called Sunset Park...there is much room for interpretation, and no clear fact in the names of many "zones" listed above. Surely one can find sources to cite that will contradict each.

Clearly many of these have come from maps. Map Art Publishing (Heiler Map Corp.) shows many of these areas in road atlases and maps as late as 2004, including Trout Mills, Lounsbury, Hornell Heights, Cooks Mills, Nippissing Junction, Marshall Park, Camp Champlain, Thorncliff, Champlain Park, Widdifield, and Redbridge. Redbridge (Phelps twp.) meets North Bay at Songis Road, and on the map I have used for this information, Redbridge is shown inside of North Bay city boundaries. As I was born and raised here, I am quite familiar with the city, and can affirm that there are several residential areas which are commonly refered to by some of these names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.198.91 (talk) 15:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure where I should be inserting a paragraph about a debate over location but noticed the use of the Thorncliff area here so this is probably the most appropriate. In the article, I reworded where the CPR's first spike location was. As a matter of fact, I stated that it was up for debate. I encourage anyone who knows something about it to chime in. In the article, it is stated that Bonfield is the location of the first spike; and it may be. However, I have a friend who does research using CPR archives and governmental postal archives. He seems to think that Thorncliff is the approximate location of the first spike; and it may be. We did take photographs of what appeared to be station foundation there; again, that does not prove anything. If anyone knows anything about Bonfield, Callander, Callander Station and Thorncliff please contribute. Also, in conversation, we were discussing NosBONsing and NosBINsing. Those locations came up in conversation as well. I am interested in hearing what others have to say in order to fill this gap.Talrolande (talk) 00:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Inappropriate External Links

I have once again removed inappropriate external links from this article. Please see WP:EL for clarification on what kinds of links are appropriate.BFD1 14:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and have removed it once again. Remember, the burden of showing whether or not a specific website link meets the inclusion criteria of WP:External links lies with the person wishing to add the link. Discussion here would be welcome, of course. -- Satori Son 01:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It's Birchaven, not Birch Haven

not only does the bus route spell it right, so does every website that involves the name as so:

http://northbayphoto.blogspot.com/2007/06/birchaven-cove-park-1st.html it has a City of North Bay sign that spells it directly

http://www.northbayclassifieds.com/view_ads.asp?category=Real%20Estate%20Sales it is referred to here as birchaven by a local resident selling his house

http://www.bestwesternontario.com/north-bay-attractions-lodging/ the Best Western North Bay referring to places to visit in the city

http://www.youronlineagents.com/ricksanderson/foundlistings.php a local Remax agent selling houses

http://sudbury.foundlocally.com/Sports/Rec-Beaches.htm Sudbury, a neighbour city, advertizing places to go swimming

Need I say more? This site prides itself of its accuracy, maybe the person who administers this page should check his.

Prominent People

I re-added Michael J. Fox to the list of prominent people who live or have lived in North Bay. I don't see why he was removed, he did live in North Bay for a few years when he was a child. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.179.9 (talk) 05:12, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Merge North Bay Nugget to this page?

There is a section for media on this page. Perhaps the North Bay Nugget page is redundant? It would eliminate a stub. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kville105125 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's goal when it comes to stubs is to improve them into high-quality articles, not to eliminate them just for the sake of eliminating stubs. And media sections in city articles are always meant to be simple lists that link to independent articles about the individual media outlets; they should never by themselves turn into the only information we have on a major daily newspaper. Bearcat 18:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Importance rating

I have raised the importance rating on this article to "Mid", to be consistent with most of the other Ontario cities. PKT (talk) 22:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Parks

Would it be improper to place a list of the parks within North Bay here? If not, where would this list go? In a new category, or under something like neighborhoods? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ares C (talk • contribs) 16:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Prominent People

There should not be any people listed under this heading who do not have a wikipedia page. It is the minimum standard for other cities with prominent people categories and it should be the same for this page. Otherwise, everyone thinks they are a prominent person and it completely undermines the whole purpose of having such a category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.96.86.4 (talk) 12:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Please add Marc Pepin,I am on Wikipedia Tennis Investor (talk) 21:51, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Racial Demographics

Guys, I can't seem to figure out how to source something properly. I've posted info from the 2006 census, with the website link below it. If anyone can set this up properly, it would be appreciated. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.163.202 (talk) 00:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

While substantial ethnic background tables at the level of English vs. French vs. German are typically permitted in Wikipedia articles (although not without dissent), we don't include demographic data, sourced or not, that only provides the percentages of "white vs. aboriginal". Bearcat (talk) 18:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Subway station?

I don't believe it is accurate that North Bay has a single subway station still in operation to this day. How would a subway operate with only one station? I have attempted to verify if an old subway station is currently in use for some other purpose or if construction ever began on a subway in North Bay - No such luck. Snlev (talk) 01:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I can't begin to guess what it's about, either. Admittedly it's been a few years since I've actually been in North Bay personally, but there certainly wasn't a subway station anywhere in the city the last time I was there. In the absence of a source to confirm, consider it killed. Bearcat (talk) 01:48, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Mass Transit

I'd like to see more information here about the city's mass transit. Since there's a university and college there, it's safe to say that there'll be a significant number of people interested in low-cost transportation. Information that would be useful: Total city coverage. Does the transit cover only a few main streats? All of them? Does it include less busy streets? How often between busses? 3 - 10 minutes like Toronto? 20 - 60 minutes like Newmarket? I believe these questions pertain to just how useful the mass transit is. The York Region Transit, for example, is almost useless if you're just trying to move around within a small area (30 minutes walk) where as Toronto transit is very useful no matter where you live or where you're going to go.

So yeah, if I find this info elsewhere I may throw it up here. Otherwise, I hope someone else will add info as I think it'd be a valuable addition to the article. Khono (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

"Mass Transit" in the city is exclusively by bus. North Bay Transit operates from 2 locations in the city, one at Higway 11/17 (the bypass) and Seymour St, which is the maintenance and storage facility, the other at Oak St and Wyld St, downtown, where there is a small administration office/heated shelter (Transit Terminal). Buses run from the downtown location begining as early as 06:00h, on schedules ranging from 30 to 60 minutes apart. This continues throughout the day until 18:00h, at which time, all buses change to an hourly departure schedule, with service stopping by midnight for all routes. Weekends and holidays, there is reduced service which ends at midnight Saturdays, and 06:00h on Sundays and Holidays. There are a few statuatory holidays which there is no service at all (Christmas, New Year, Easter, etc.). There are a total of 11 routes, 3 running South (red routes) 3 running East (green routes) and 3 running North (blue routes), with the remaining 2 routes servicing the college/university at the North end of the city. The system is designed to collect passengers from the outlying areas, and transfer them to buses departing from the central transit terminal to their intended destination, servicing all major shopping. educational and residential areas within a few blocks (ie: a 5 minute walk should get you to a bus stop, from anywhere in the city). Exact cash fare is $2.25 per passenger (children under 6 ride free with an accompanying adult) with monthly (30 days unlimited travel) and 10-trip passes (punch card) available through the administration office at the Oak/Wyld Terminal. This is current as of January 2011. Hopefully this is all that's needed to post pertinent transit info to the page. 24.235.198.91 (talk) 07:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Census data

Cannot verify the stats in the Community Profile section from either 2006 Census or 2001 Census

Didn't find total population or anything in the Mother tongue part is in either census? the rest seems to be from 2001

Where is this data from then? changed ref to "2001" and tag . -- Skullers (talk) 08:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

• The numbers also don't add up. At least can we remove the "Klingon" line. --99.245.206.188 (talk) 02:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 January 2019

The North Bay Nugget is not a daily newspaper, it publishes a print version from Tuesday through Saturday. 192.186.81.178 (talk) 19:16, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are trying to do.

User:Magnolia677 has reverted addition of dates on the list of notable people, I do not agree with the reasons, or the logic.

I included the lifespans of the people on the list of Notable people at North Bay, Ontario. Some of these people are alive, some are dead. Their life span indicates what time these people were notable, and reveals something of the history of North Bay. I have accessed that information from the wikipedia pages on these people.

Are you suggesting that we can only include those dates if we repeat the references from the linked wikipedia pages. Are you suggesting that for every list of people, "Notable people", "People with this Surname" &c,. we can only include any information if we reference it on the secondary page. You removed dates because you say they are not referenced adequately. The list at North Bay assumes that the people have a connection to North Bay, there are no references for this on the North Bay Notable people list. The notable people list mentions their occupation/reason for notability, this is unreferenced. Therefore by your logic, unless each name on that list has a reference on that page for their connection to North Bay, and for their reason of notability, there should be no listing. The Notable People on that page don't have any references on that page. Should we remove the entire list? I am going to return my edit, reverse your undoing Brunswicknic (talk) 11:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

What I am trying to "do" is maintain one of the cornerstone policies of Wikipedia, which requires that additions to the encyclopedia be sourced. You have "sourced" the birthdays by copying them from the target article. When I reverted your edit I told you in my edit summary you cannot source one Wikipedia article by citing another Wikipedia article, per WP:CIRC. So let's try this... with this edit you added that Kevin Frankish was born in 1964. If you look at the article for Kevin Frankish you will see that his birthday is unsourced. This is why I mentioned CIRC in my edit summary; copying info from one poorly-sourced article and placing it into another article creates two poorly-sourced articles. I have again reverted your unsourced edit. If a consensus forms to allow you to add all the unsourced (and unnecessary) birthdays back into the article I will revert. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

To the OP: first, your signature is out of policy. Please fix it. It's required that your signature link to your userspace. If you don't use a custom signature, the default link is your talk page. Second, new content (which is what is under discussion here) which is disputed stays out until a consensus is reached (see WP:CONSENSUS and WP:BRD). The BURDEN is in the editor wanting the new content to convince those opposing by making arguments based in reliable secondary sources and Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You've not done that. Oppose any changes outside the guidelines imposed by NLIST and USCITIES. John from Idegon (talk) 00:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: Apologies for the signature, I was pasting from another page of talk, which I should of preambled (and as can be seen "(talk) 11:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)"). Your use of the term OP is not helpful, I had no idea what it meant initially. Secondly new content, these are existing dates from the articles that the list of Notable People is made from. The list of Notable People here is based on the existence of wikipedia pages and the info contained within them. Dates, speaking as a wikipedia reader and a professional academic, give a framework for information. Without the dates, then we have a list of names from the history of North Bay, are they contemporary people or are they founders of the city? Are they alive, active, or are they dead. Both you and Magnolia677 say "reliable sources"/"wikipedia is not a reliable source" Yet, the whole list is based on these people having wikipedia articles, wikipedia is the source, and wikipedia allows this, see NLIST. You cite protocols, even when other wikipedia protocols state that they are not relevant. You cite consensus, when someone reverts all of an edit because of what they see as a partial error, if fact Magnolia677 is able to cite only one unsourced birtdate, and did not remove it from the original page. I did. You cite USCITIES, I don't know if you are aware of this, but North Bay, Ontario, is not in the USA. Furthermore, that WP (USCITIES) states reasons for inclusion, it does not mention dates, inclusion or exclusion. It does say that the reason for that persons link to the city must be included on a list of Notable People, as does NLIST. There is one single example of this on the North Bay list, and it is a duplication and irregular item.Brunswicknic (talk) 07:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

So where are we? There is a Notable People list in the North Bay, Ontario. It does not follow the protocols of NLIST. I attempted to improve the utility of the list to the reader by adding dates, adding reasons of notability, removing sexist and redundant terms, and removing a duplicated name. This was entirely reverted on the basis that I included unsourced material, i.e. dates. As the whole list contains material that is only sourced to wikipedia, "wikipedia is not a reliable source", I followed instructions and deleted the whole list. That was reverted, fair enough, it was an attempt of reductio ad absurdum. So, you 2 editors don't like dates on your list of Notable People because... you 2 editors don't like dates on your list of Notable People, you do however like sexist language, you like lists of Notable People that do not follow wikipedia policy, you like redundant info, you like duplication on your notable people list. You do not welcome constructive editing. You alienate and drive people away from editing and reading Wikipedia. Brunswicknic (talk) 07:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of North Bay Police Service into North Bay, Ontario

Not much on the North Bay Police Service, mostly infobox material like budget and # of employees. Seems like it could be suitably included on North Bay, Ontario. Apocheir (talk) 01:21, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 10:22, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Scott Pilgrim

This town is referenced in an episode of Scott Pilgrim. Is it notable for inclusion in this article? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 05:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)