User talk:Jerzy/Archive 02

Cut and paste move

If it's just a cut and paste move that needs fixing, I can do that. If you tell me where it is of course. :) VfD is also a place you can ask for such things. Angela . 23:53, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)

Urgh. I shouldn't do these things when I'm tired. They always confuse me. :) Ok, I believe Magneto is now at Magneto and there's nothing at Magneto (engine component). The stuff that was at Magneto before I did anything is at Talk:Magneto/temp. Where should that go? And did I revert Magneto to the right version? Have a look and let me know if there's anything else you need me to do. Angela . 01:07, Jan 10, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying. I haven't merged any histories or deleted anything other than historyless redirects, so can you not just move the pages to wherever it you want them now? Angela . 04:29, Jan 10, 2004 (UTC)

Contributions on New Topics

Mangled History

(Questions re Magneto history-recapitulation are expected here.)

Why My "Your Heading Here" Headings

Why do you keep adding == Your Heading Here == to talk pages? --Jiang

J, I suggest you indicate what you do and don't understand about it as a starting point for discussing whatever is on your mind about it. --Jerzy 16:06, 2003 Nov 14 (UTC)

No one else does it... It will get in the way of things if people decide to use the "post a comment" feature. --Jiang 01:01, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Tnx, Jiang; that is even more helpful than your summary at 2003 Nov 14 06:51 EST on Talk:Treaty of London, 1839, saying

(no need to add that; just ask people to use the "post a comment" feature)

which i was already planning to respond to.

I have an opinion abt whether "post a comment" or "Your Heading Here" is more useful, but our respective opinions are far from definitive, and the question is an empirical one. I'm going to start alternating the two approaches (once i've counted up how many of the YHH ones are already out there, and balanced them with PaCs). That will give us two samples that will reflect the biases of the same editor in choosing what to edit, and will reveal which style is more successful in the context that bias.

I don't know how strong your interest is, but of course your doing something similar would test both methods in a different population of talk pages, and help validate the results. More importantly, it would help a lot if you'd hold off reverting further YHHs until we discuss further.

The conflict you perceive between the 2 methods is relevant, but that concern needs to be tempered by the fact that the conflict is not inherant; if either becomes widespread enuf to warrant it, without one disappearing, it's a SMOP to resolve the conflict. I think that for the moment, both practices are so rare in these 150k articles that all we need to worry about is if/when either becomes a lot more frequent. --Jerzy 02:12, 2003 Nov 15 (UTC)

Paul added (probably Wed, Dec 17, 2003 13:07 EST / 18:07 UTC(GMT) Update 13:12 EST) this 'graph:

(note to someone adding another item, be sure to push the 'Your heading' and 4 - line below yours so the next person coming along will know where to put their remarks. The system will automatically split that part from yours.)

But the next colleague who left a note here did not comply. I suspect (partly from the time i spent puzzling over a similar request on Paul-Talk) that that was not just bad luck, and that compliance is likely to be low, at least unless the wording is tuned up and maybe no matter what. But in any case, i'm not looking (on my own talk page, or article-talk page that i follow closely, for a scheme that gets anyone adding to a talk page to keep it perfectly organized. (Obviously: who is as qualified as i, to make it perfect? [wink]) Rather, i hope to ameliorate the disorder, without forcing any colleagues into a strait-jacket.

Multiple colleagues in a single strait-jacket, now there's a pretty picture! --The Masked Grammatical Avenger

Of course the ideal thing for someone leaving a note on a new subject to do is put a heading just above the "YHH" heading, and write between the two headings. But IMO it ain't no big thang.

Die Walküre

The page history of Die Walküre is now back with the Die Walküre article and Die Walkure is just a redirect. Angela . 07:41, Jan 12, 2004 (UTC)

New Miscellaneous

Welcome back

Welcome back, Jerzy! Actually I have not done on Russia anything expect putting the texts we composed in. The Estonian Wikipedia is rapidly increasing (with just three very active users, including myself), and I am tracking the recent changes there. Andres 17:38, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

In Use msg

(From my page at User Talk:Rfc1394): The "In Use" msg you created is useful in concept, effective in implementation (i.e., eye-catching), and pleasant to look at. I guess that's a hat trick; bravo. --Jerzy 09:12, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)

My Comment: I wish I could take credit for the 'revised edition' of the Mediawiki:Inuse message ; I thought of the Inuse message because there were times when I was changing a page which required several minutes to do (for example, check out the List of television stations in USA by Call Sign and if I'm putting all of the entries for, say, California in from the current list by states, that's going to take a while. If someone else comes in and changes the list (for Colorado for example) while I'm doing an edit as well, then my work is wasted or at least I have to now go in and re-edit to include their changes, since the list is in alphabetical order. In this sort of circumstance I don't really want to put a few entries in, save it, then put more in, and so on, I'd prefer to put all of them in as one batch. I'm less likely to items out if I do it that way. (Yes, I wrote that last sentence with the intentionally missing word to see if someone would notice.); What someone else did was, they came along, rewrote the Inuse message and inserted the banners. A distinct improvement to what I had done and a really great change. I wish I had thought of it.; -- Paul Rfc1394 17:51, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I really have very little clue what a godparent is. I just created that page based on my own understanding of the term, but it if it wrong, edit away. That's the wikipedia way. user:J.J.

Brianism

I do not know if you are watching Brianism Talk, but it is fair that you should see this: An Open Letter from Rex Mundi, co-founder of Brianism. In view of this, I have changed my vote to Delete. Link has apparently been "e-mailed to participants in the discussion", but not posted on WP by the writer - which is why I am doing it. I also do not see how the writer would have all the e-mail addresses involved. Kind regards, Anjouli 13:56, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Battery disambiguation

Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I had things come up. Also, I'm not sure what you wanted. I think what you did was fine. Is someone giving you a hard time about it? - UtherSRG 04:54, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

np - UtherSRG 05:03, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

You can get a charge on my talk. :) - UtherSRG 05:13, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Polar something

Hi Jerzy. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I have been changing links that point to a redirect so that they avoid the redirect. In this case, it seems that the page Polar coordinates should not be a redirect, but rather a disambiguation page. I'll change all the links back. Maybe you wouldn't mind making it a disambiguation page, as I know nothing of the topic, whereas you do. Best, snoyes 05:10, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I just saw that you changed the page back to a redirect. Was that to stop snobot from making modifications, or should it be a redirect and not a disambiguation page? --snoyes 05:13, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Actually the edit to my user talk page got my attention, not the redirect thiny. Anyway, I'm sorry but I can't quite understand what you mean with the following (after the comma): "to make me suspect you couldn't figure out another way around the redir, and might be having snobot do something with side you'd not recognize.". I anticipated that the "lala" thing would cause people to notice the bot. I am running the bot because many people link like this: Shakespeare, instead of either William Shakespeare, or Shakespeare. I strongly suspect that linking to the redirect instead of the real location of the page lowers the google rankings for pages like William Shakespeare. I am doing the weird "lala" thing because I'm using a bot that someone else developed for something else. And this bot unfortunately won't work on a redirect page. Naturally I change it back after the bot has run. I can either leave the work of the bot as it is or revert it. Just say which, and why. --snoyes 05:37, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

No problem. I'll most likely be gone at the time you come back, just leave me a note on my talk page. --snoyes 05:45, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Yes. Cutting and pasting should be avoided if at all possible, because it loses the author attribution. But one can see from the edit history exactly who has pasted what from where. Moved pages are another matter. These are harder to find out, but we'll see.

Hi. I don't see how Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel is a contravention of the naming conventions. It was agreed on Talk:Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel that the page should be moved there, because it is the most common usage. (Apart from simply "Hegel"). If you think it is against naming conventions, then please be more specific. The "lala" method is working quite well, but I'm open to suggestions. I'm using solve_disambiguation.py from Rob Hooft's pywikipediabot. --snoyes 21:52, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

All that happens is that the redirect is disabled for the time that the bot runs. normally one or two hours. That is hardly a problem. Also, where would you move the Hegel page? I can't think of any better place than it is now. --snoyes 23:15, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Yeti disagreement

I would appreciate your input on talk:Yeti. Thanks! - UtherSRG 01:30, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

List of people by name

Hi, I'm sorry but your explanation of the issues with the list of people article isn't really clear. What exactly is it you need me to do? Angela . 01:38, Jan 22, 2004 (UTC)

It appears you might be making some conflicting moves with Hemanshu. May I recommend that you discuss this with him. Hopefully this might give you a better idea of what is going on and what he had planned to do with the page. Angela . 01:48, Jan 22, 2004 (UTC)

The history on List of people by name: Mas-Maz goes back to January 15th. Perhaps you are having cache problems? The history I can see looks like:

   * (cur) (last) . . M 14:23, Jan 21, 2004 . . Hemanshu
   * (cur) (last) . . M 14:11, Jan 21, 2004 . . Hemanshu
   * (cur) (last) . . 14:10, Jan 21, 2004 . . Hemanshu
   * (cur) (last) . . 14:06, Jan 21, 2004 . . Hemanshu
   * (cur) (last) . . 13:57, Jan 21, 2004 . . Hemanshu
   * (cur) (last) . . 06:36, Jan 21, 2004 . . Jerzy (touch up Cardinal Mazarin)
   * (cur) (last) . . 06:21, Jan 21, 2004 . . Jerzy (alph in Mays)
   * (cur) (last) . . 06:19, Jan 21, 2004 . . Jerzy (break out Maximilians ,Maximuses)
   * (cur) (last) . . 06:07, Jan 21, 2004 . . Jerzy (Mary Matalin: activist ->consultant; break out Matthew and Matthews; headings w/in Mat)
   * (cur) (last) . . 05:57, Jan 21, 2004 . . Jerzy (break out mason, move **Mason, Wide Mouth, singing group to talk)
   * (cur) (last) . . 09:04, Jan 20, 2004 . . Jerzy (add *Mazzetta, Rose Marie, (born 1923), actor as "Baby Rose Marie" (age 3 to 11 or 15) and as "Rose Marie", still performing as of 2003)
   * (cur) (last) . . 17:09, Jan 15, 2004 . . Jerzy (new page, from "... by name: Ma" plus 3rd index row)

Is that different to what you see? Tim Starling has also replied to you on the Village pump. I wouldn't report it as a server fault just yet. Angela . 01:55, Jan 22, 2004 (UTC)

If someone moves A to B and then someone else moves B to A, the first move isn't shown, but assuming they moved it using thr "move this page" link, not by cut and paste, the history should be back at A and there will be only a redirect at B, with no history. Angela . 02:36, Jan 22, 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I take it your problem is fixed? Sorry to be late, but I just got here now. Bmills 09:17, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Kylchap

The original article was

System of Kylchap has been used also by a few Czech steam locomotives (for instance Series 477.0, 556.0 etc.).

Morven deleted this because it was not an article, and replaced it with a real one. I'm not sure what the problem is. Why would you want that sentence undeleted? Angela . 00:40, Feb 1, 2004 (UTC)

Clarification: Infrogmation did the deletion. I saw it on Cleanup, remembered that I'd written an article on that very topic over at E2, and imported it. —Morven 00:52, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Extro

Hi Jerzy

The through variable does not change over the lumped parameter (e.g. resistor). Current on one side of a resistor is equal to current on the other side. The voltage, on the other hand, differs. So the voltage differs ACROSS the resistor.

-Extro

Sandy (?)

Thanks. I'll leave the history on the FLDS talk page. Hawstom 02:08, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Senate

Jerzy, accurate explanation of the Senate and Congressional elections, but it still seems bewildering to folks who don't know the system well. Perhaps a way to simplify the explanation? Fuzheado 02:19, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) [transferred from User page by Jerzy 05:08, 2004 Feb 5 (UTC)]

Don't worry, no offense taken. Fuzheado 09:43, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Request for Comment

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Homegrown images - UtherSRG 16:31, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)