Talk:Nassau, The Bahamas

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This article, Nassau, should be Nassau, Bahamas.

Nassau (state) should be Nassau as it is the oldest origin of all Nassau references, with a link to Nassau (disambiguation).

No, policy says it should be the most commonly used name - so Nassau, Bahamas should get this name. Guettarda 21:09, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thats not NPOV. It may be common where you are, if I say "Nassau" where I am, 100% of the people (about 15 000 000) will think of the House of Orange-Nassau, not of Nassau, Bahamas. If I say the same in Germany, even more people will think of Nassau (state) first. 217.121.144.89 21:08, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Policy says that most common use of the name in English should get the name, or, if you have some conflict about what the most commonly used name is, then you make it the disambiguation page. The overwhelming majority of links to Nassau are for Nassau, Bahamas. And 15 million isn't that much. Even on the German Wikipedia it's a disambiguation page. Guettarda 13:19, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I reverted this back to a redirect to Nassau, Bahamas. I think that article should eventually be moved here. If you still disagree, let me know and I will list this page at RfC.

From Wikipedia:Naming convention: Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. Guettarda 21:14, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I know this issue was officially settled in favor of disambiguation, but when you search "Nassau" in English-language Google, the Wikipedia entry for Nassau, Bahamas is the first result. Isn't this a very strong indicator that Nassau, Bahamas is what most English speakers associate with Nassau?

My two unsolicited cents not intended to invoke any WP policy: I'm American and for me "Nassau" has always held an association with Bahamas. It's also very silly to me that a direct link to Nassau, Bahamas, was assaulted for being Amerocentric in the same argument suggesting that a search for "Nassau" gives Nassau, Bahamas and House of Nassau equal weight. "Amerocentric" -- or "America-centric," as per the discussion -- is a pretty coded term insofar as it implies a certain hegemonic bias. Nassau, Bahamas is over 90 percent black, a population with ancestral routes to freed slaves; the House of Nassau is a white German dynasty and indeed the colony of Nassau's namesake. I'm no P.C. Principal raging against a pervasive conspiracy to whitewash Wikipedia or whatever all those thinkpieces a while back were on about, but I can't be the only one who sees strong irony and a pseudoacademic tango around the history of colonialism in the argument for disambiguation. EmDoubleEweEl (talk) 18:01, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

I was reviewing the "In Popular Culture" section to try to find citations for the three statements in need of citations in reference to the book, Blood and Fire by John Marquis. I wasn't able to verify the existence of any of the reviews mentioned in this section and I suspect they don't exist. They only appear as quotes on the author's personal website. I would suggest that this section be removed. Skheraj (talk) 9:04pm, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 2005

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The capital city of present-day independent nation should get primary topic disambiguation; nothing on the disambiguation page (currently, Nassau) comes close. The related move Nassau → Nassau (disambiguation) would also be necessary. –Hajor 01:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

This discussion is really not necessary. Even if the current Nassau was moved to Nassau (disambiguation), no one would ever type such a search. Already based on technicalities, "Nassau" would ultimately have to lead to "Nassau (disambiguation)". Gryffindor 13:00, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

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• Propose and support. –Hajor 01:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
• I oppose this move. I do not believe that Nassau, Bahamas predominates over either Hesse-Nassau or Nassau County, New York, much less both of them, for most English-speakers. Leave the dab where it is. Septentrionalis 01:18, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
• Support - it most definitely does predominate over the other uses in English. Guettarda 02:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose, Nassau is best as a disambig page, as it is now. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 08:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose - Nassau, Bahamas is further down the list when I personally think of "Nassau". Support current disambig. Olessi 19:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. Sorry no offence but this is utterly unnecessary. When I hear "Nassau" I certainly don't think of Bahamas first. It would be like renaming Paris, Texas → Paris. Gryffindor 01:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Support It's the capital of the Bahamas. --Revolución (talk) 04:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Support what Revolución said. No Account 17:09, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. The Duchy of Nassau would be my first association with the name. Eugene van der Pijll 23:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
  • It doesn't matter what your first "association" with the name would be. Nassau is the capital of the Bahamas and thus has more importance than any province, county, duchy, or whatever. --Revolución (talk) 00:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
    • It matters what a majority of people expect to see on the page. I'm just one data point. I disagree that the capital city of any country is more important than any historical state. When many people disagree on which subject is the most important, the best idea is to have a disambiguation page here. If I was the only one opposing, my opinion would, indeed, not matter. Eugene van der Pijll 16:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I completely agree with User:Eugene van der Pijll. To rename this into Nassau is america-centric thinking. So what if it's the capital, there are plenty of other "Nassau" to oppose this move. Gryffindor 18:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

• Support Nassau is the capital of the independent state and as such it's more important than the other uses.  Grue  11:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose the disambig page is perfect as it is - renaming would be America-centric as well as a-historic. And as there are different opinons, a disambig page is a very good way to get around without having to decide what "the real Nassau" is, aka NPOV. --Reinhard 16:21, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Actually to rename this would not be America-centric, but Anglo-centric (Anglo meaning in this sense English language). Nassau to most English speakers would mean the capital of the Bahamas, and this is English Wiki after all, not German or Dutch Wiki. Note: this is not a view to support move. Mark
• Oppose. AFAIC, both the Bahama and German-related articles are roughly equal in significance and hence neither should get primary topic designation. older≠wiser 17:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. – Axman (☏) 05:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. Leave as is. Mark 11:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Even German Wikipedia doesn't prioritise German Nassau - it's a disambig page. And Nassau/Bahamas' prominence in English is enough to prioritise it. Rd232 ^talk 14:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

One comment: from the discussion above (and perhaps Guettarda can confirm) the Bahamian capital appears to have been here at Nassau in the not-so-distant past.

And one query: Septentrionalis brings up both Hesse-Nassau or Nassau County, New York. According to our article naming policies, neither of those would be eligible for the coveted undisambiguated Nassau; at the most, they might get a redirect, like San Francisco redirects to San Francisco, California. The query is something that occurred to me in the recent discussion over moving Windsor to Windsor, Berkshire, and it goes something like this: "In deciding primary topic disambiguation, does the fact that an article's natural location, per naming conventions, would place it at the undisambigged location give it any degree of precedence over rivals that, per conventions, would not normally get that location?" –Hajor 01:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Nassau, Bahamas was at Nassau for a long time - and anon moved it, saying that the German state of Nassau (historical state) was older, so should have the dominant name. I changed it to a redirect back to the the Bahamian capital. Someone later changed it to a dab page. Guettarda 02:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Is this all in one request then, along with the old september entry for switching Nassau and Nassau (disambiguation)? Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 03:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

• Note that the page Nassau, Bahamas was moved to Nassau using a cut&paste move. Regardless of whether the move is justified by the vote above, the page should only be moved by the proper procedure (which can only be done by an admin). I've reverted three pages to the version before this move (Nassau, Bahamas, Nassau, and Nassau (disambiguation)). I believe this has corrected the situation. Edits after October 14 to any of these pages have been lost, unfortunately. Eugene van der Pijll 23:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

• This is ridiculous. I just looked at what German town are you talking about and it has the population of (drum roll) 5000! To suggest it has the same importance as the capital of the independent nation is extreme POV. This is as stupid as Georgia (country) not being at Georgia.  Grue  06:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

• • You're right, the German town isn't all that important. It is the historical state of Nassau that has at least the same importance as Nassau, Bahamas. Eugene van der Pijll 11:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

• Yes but I don't quite understand your point then. I totally agree with you that the country of Georgia should be named "Georgia", while the U.S. state should be renamed into something different. But then you want the Bahamas Nassau, which is actually named after the dynasty or a person from there, who in turn are named after the county/duchy, which in turn is named after the castle and the original town in Germany, to have precedence over all the other ones? Sorry, that just makes no sense, based on what criterias are you making your point? Gryffindor 09:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Based on the importance to the world as a whole. How anything is named is irrelevant. Dollar is named after some obscure German coin as well, but it is much more important.  Grue  10:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Based on the importance in the world? That's completely a POV, Wikipedia should try to remain neutral. ps: btw, the dollar comes from Taler, which was anything but "obscure". Gryffindor 23:16, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

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Revert

Anyone else notice how this article shrank insanely? Pilotguy I think needs to explain his reverting here... I can see that the article pre revert could be considered an advert/not notable, but I want to hear it from Pilotguy on what was wrong with the article so maybe we can fix it. Galactor213 16:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

From comparing PilotGuy's version with the previous version, it looks to me like he removed a lot of content he considered commercial. Lots of it does read like advertising copy. However, some of that info could certainly be rewritten so that it doesn't have that bias. Karen Joslin 13:08, 31 August 2006

"The city has a population of 365,9284 (2005 census), nearly 70 percent of the entire population of the Bahamas (303,611). " This math doesn't work out right on my calculator.

A picture of the central portion of the Atlantis resort is NOT representative of the Nassau skyline. Nassau has a beautiful skyline without lying and cheating. The old Colonial Hilton is spectacular. Atlantis is on the old island called Goat Island until the developers ruined it and renamed it. And don't ever forget, The Bahamas are NOT in the Caribbean!

"The" Bahamas

Should the title read "Nassau, The Bahamas"? The The Bahamas page is titled "The Bahamas" and the CIA World Factbook titles its page "Bahamas, The" I think the "the" is part of the name. What does anyone else think? link title

That is correct. The official name of the country is "The Commonwealth of The Bahamas", aka "Islands of The Bahamas", "The Bahama Islands", (note, no "s" on Bahama in this use) or "The Bahamas". Use of the term "Bahamas" without the "The" is actually incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.75.121.18 (talk) 19:53, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Also, the picture is actually of Paradise Island, not New Providence which is the location of Nassau. Although connected to Nassau by a bridge, Paradise Island is a separate island and the image should probably be of Nassau or New Providence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.75.121.18 (talk) 19:56, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Also, I am going to make a revision of the last sentence in the opening paragraph. --Gree6021 05:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

New Providence links to New Jersey, not New Providence Island in the Bahamas

You might want to fix that. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.14.248.62 (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Travel Info

Here are a few tips for those traveling to Nassau Bahamas. Nassau has the most unbelievably beautiful ocean I have ever seen. First of all if your not rich stay away from Paradise Island when it comes to eating or sleeping. I suggest Orange Hill Beach Inn, it's out of the way of the Americanized area of Paradise Island. Pick one of the many hotels on Nassau. Be sure to eat at the fish fry under the bridge connecting Paradise Island and Nassau. There are many little stands that sell food, don't be afraid to try the food, it's great. Also be sure to go to Twin Brothers restaurant and have a daiquiri, there the best. The people of the Bahamas are extremely nice, talk to them. If you need help with something or need info ask them but be sure to say hello before asking for something. On the weekends the locals hang out on the beech in Nassau,not paradise island, and party: Join in.If you like to gamble but know your not going to win then try one of the two casinos. One of which is in Atlantis, on Paradise Island, and the other smaller casino on the main island of Nassau. Remember in the Bahamas they don't have the gaming and gambling laws that most industrialised countries have. Just like any where else there are people you should be wary of. Be cautious of the taxis you get into and the people your exchanging money with. The people of the Bahamas work hard and need your money to survive. The straw market is a good example of this. If you can't handle people trying to get you to buy something then don't go in, it can be very frustrating. Most of the things in the markets are the same at each vendor and some are not authentic items of the Bahamas so be sure you know what your buying. Bargain, bargain, bargain, don't take the first offer from the markets or from taxis. Don't get into a taxi unless you already set a price for your destination. If your not in a hurry take the bus system. The fairly quick contractors of the public transportation will save you lots of money. They charge a dollar to anywhere, but run on routes. (If your going to Orange Hill Beach Inn it may be a bit more). Find the guy's renting jet ski's and para-sailing and do it, it's awesome. Do anything with Stuarts Cove [http://67.199.62.226/index.aspx]. Let me suggest snorkeling with sharks, trust me it's safe and unforgettable. Last but not least take the Fast Ferry for a day trip to Harbour Island and rent a golf cart and explore this true paradise. When your at the beach in Harbour Island give your eyes a second to adjust as you realize the sand is pink. Harbour Island has the most extraordinary sand. I've been to my share of relaxing beach destinations and so far Nassau Bahamas is the top of the cake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.243.48 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 16 September 2008

Please read WP:NOT#CHAT and WP:NOTADVERTISING: "Bear in mind that talk pages exist for the purpose of discussing how to improve articles; they are not mere general discussion pages about the subject of the article". "Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so." Afv2006 (talk) 08:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Demographics

I came to this page to find out the demographics of Nassau, but found very little. In particular, what is the percentage breakdown between the white and black populations? Anybody know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.43.30 (talk) 16:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Square Kilometers

I know there is no local government, but how large is the federal district of New Providence in square kilometers of which the city would be municipaly coterminus with? --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

History

"Lord Dunmore governed the colony from 1787 to 1796 and oversaw the construction of Fort Charlotte in Nassau.

Ardastra Gardens, Zoo and Conservation Centre was opened in 1982 and was the first zoo in The Bahamas. It had previously been a botanical garden since 1937."

Is there really no history between 1796 and 1982?

(Will Hambling 20:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Will.hambling (talk • contribs)

Copied content?

The contents of the paragraph titled "Over-The-Hill" is basically identical to the article Bain town - Its early history by Gail Saunders, The Nassau Guardian, May 05, 2005. It was added here on this edit (omitting the last few lines of the original for unknown reason). I suppose this may be considered a breach of copyrights and should be checked carefully. Amnon s (talk) 12:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Skyline photo

I think the photo of the skyline is a bit misleading as it's just a picture of the Atlantis Resort, which is actually across the bay on Paradise Island. I will be there next month and try to get a better picture of the city from the bay looking in toward Bay Street.199.76.171.153 (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I also feel that the Atlantis Resort photo is inappropriate for use as the lead image for this article, which clearly states that Nassau lies on the island of New Providence. The Atlantis Resort lies not on the island of New Providence, but on Paradise Island. The two islands are distinctly separate, linked only by an elevated roadway which spans the harbor between the two. Nassau was a vibrant city long before Atlantis showed up. A photo of the downtown area and/or the buildings therein would be a better lead image. - TampAGS (talk) 10:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Official link doesn't work

The Official link is broken. LOL-117 (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Don't know what the problem is. Let's give it a day or two to see if the problem is fixed. -- Donald Albury 21:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The infobox

The infobox on this page is just appearing as text at the top of the page. I'm new so I don't feel qualified trying to fix it myself. Ialangford (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 2014

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• Nassau, Bahamas → Nassau
• Nassau → Nassau (disambiguation)

– Obvious primary topic. There is nothing of note on the disambiguation page that is anything but a partial title match except for the historic German city/duchy/area (population: 5,209; pageviews: 529 a month; historical impact: minimal - stats for the duchy are not much different) or the capital of the Bahamas (population: 248,948; pageviews: 28,476 a month; historical impact: highly significant). I daresay that if a capital city in a country full of white people had a quarter of a million people and was far more commonly referred to in academic sources (as compared to just about anything else), it would get primary topic over a smaller if very historic area in an island country. But the Bahamian city currently doesn't, and I'm forced to wonder why. Let's fix this problem of WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, Wikipedia. Over 2,000 people a month are delayed from finding out information by getting to this disambiguation page instead of the page that both common sense and pageview statistics tell us that they want. Red Slash 18:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support. Would be constructive to see page views from all the other articles on the disambig page, but I'm confident this is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Zarcadia (talk) 03:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support - Seems to be the primary topic. IJA (talk) 11:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. "Nassau rhineland" is a bizarre search string that suggests you don't know what you're doing. The original Nassau, and its dynasty, are quite important in European history. I could possibly be convinced to support this move, but not by what the nominator presents. Srnec (talk) 12:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Do you have a better suggestion? Red Slash 00:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Better suggestion for what? Srnec (talk) 00:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
      • What to search for? Red Slash 03:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
• Comment @Srnec - The article about the very small town of 5,000 people "Nassau, Rhineland-Palatinate" will not be affected by this move, nor will the articles "Duchy of Nassau" and "House of Nassau". When one simply talks about "Nassau", it is most often about the city in the Bahamas. As a historian, I've never come across someone refer to the Dynasty or the Duchy as just "Nassau"; when one talks about the Duchy and Dynasty, one would use the full name "Duchy of Nassau" and "House of Nassau". When one talks about "Nassau" on its own, in the vast majority of cases it is referring to the capital city of the Bahamas. "Nassau" on its own is the primary topic for the capital of the Bahamas. IJA (talk) 13:14, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. There are lots of things named Nassau. A county in New York, a city in the Bahamas, a town in the Rhineland, a US Navy ship, a Dutch ruling dynasty, a medieval and early modern German state, and all the famous people called "of Nassau". Does the Bahamian city predominate over all of these? Maybe on the internet. But I suspect there only. Srnec (talk) 00:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Everything you just named besides the cities (and possibly the state) would be a partial title match. Red Slash 03:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support I agree the the modern capital city is the primary meaning for "Nassau", and that it does not need "Bahamas" added to know what we are talking about. --MelanieN (talk) 00:13, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose per Smec, the House of Nassau is prominent, and historical antecedant namesake to the New England locations. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 06:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support per nom. The issue here is the primary meaning of the word "Nassua", not what titles it is contained in when other words are added. bd2412 T 14:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Clearly everyone knows that Nassau is the primary topic and not the city in the Bahamas. In any case, this proposal claims a primary topic without really showing that it is the primary topic when compared to all of the other Nassaus. The partial title match is nothing but a red herring since most of the topics ignored by this claim are better know only as Nassau. In fact, this claim rules out Nassau, Bahamas from consideration as the primary topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Is this meant as sarcasm? The county?? Red Slash 13:51, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Comment @ Vegaswikian - The County in New York is called "Nassau County" not "Nassau". IJA (talk) 18:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
  • The common name is Nassau. Thinking that everything listed on the dab page is by common name is patently false. As a result any arguments based on that are simply void. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:02, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

@ User:Vegaswikian - Have you any evidence that that the county's common name is soley "Nassau" on its own and not "Nassau County"? Because on google books I get 108 results for "Nassau New York" and 805,000 for "Nassau County". IJA (talk) 10:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Yea, we can do the digging. Books tend to be formal. When people in NYC say they are going to Nassau, they generally mean the county. They don't say Nassau County. In fact if you take a survey you will find this through out the US. Do you say you are going to San Fransisco or San Fransisco County? Vegaswikian (talk) 17:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose. Nassau County has been viewed 12000 times last month and has a much larger population. If it was just that in opposition, I'd agree with the move (or at least changing the redirect), but the historic house of Europe seems relevant as well. I will say that I'm in favor of rigging the current Nassau Disambiguation page to have the most important & frequent usages on top rather than forcing users to browse through the 'directory', so Nassau, Bahamas; Nassau County; & the House of Nassau should be the first 3 links, followed by everything else. SnowFire (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
• Comment @ User:SnowFire - Your examples for opposition are all null and void per Partial Title Match. None of the examples you have given, go soley by the name "Nassau" unlike the capital city of the Bahamas. IJA (talk) 10:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

• This was already discussed above. I don't find the argument convincing. Specifically, PTM is about entries that don't deserve to be on a disambiguation page despite partially matching the title, e.g. specific Zoos at Zoo (disambiguation). Are you seriously claiming that you think Nassau County / House of Nassau / etc. should all be removed from the disambiguation page (wherever it ends up)? If not, then PTM is irrelevant, since you agree they're all entities a reader who typed "Nassau" might be interested in... SnowFire (talk) 14:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

• • • But anyone who looks for (say) the county would type in Nassau County. Most people looking for the big city called "Nassau" would indeed search for it through Nassau. Red Slash 13:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose - There is no clear primary topic right now. For historical significance, "Nassau" is German and has always been, and House of Nassau has been historically significant. For popularity, Bahamas? New York? Currently, no one realizes German connections and ancestry to "Nassau", and were Germans in Bahamas? --George Ho (talk) 16:37, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
  • It's named after William III, Prince of Nassau. —innotata 01:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose Definitely no clear primary topic, and if anything I would say it was the German region based on historical significance. It's silly to claim systemic bias when we're talking about a high-income North American country that's a popular tourist destination, and when there's no evidence for anything of the sort. —innotata 01:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. The German state and royal houses are just as significant historically. They would certainly be my first thought if the name Nassau was mentioned. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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Public Security, crime, corruption, and appearance of the city

I discovered that major parts article are simply unsourced marketing ... after I visited, and found the reality to deviate dramatically from the portrayal here. Good sources for the conditions and problems of real-life Nassau are plentiful, and so I've begun improving this article with a new Public Securty section under demographics.

I plan to continue by replacing unsourced marketing material with well sourced information.

Dogweather (talk) 09:13, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Could use a map showing Nassau's location in the Carribean

The map of the Bahamas is too close up, while the map of North America is too far out. Thanks.CountMacula (talk) 15:39, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Local government

It should probably be mentioned at least under a "Government" section that Nassau doesn't have an associated local government, and is administered by the national government. It should also be mentioned, too, that if there is some organ/department of the national government that administers the city, which on that is. Of course, these need sources, and I trust the Bahamians or others who add this information to properly source their information. --Criticalthinker (talk) 23:51, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

History section revision - a question

I've word-smithed some of the History section to make it read a little better. I am puzzled by this phrase renamed to Nassau in honour of the Dutch Stadtholder (stadhouder in Dutch) - perhaps someone can edit to make it clearer what is happening here. Bdushaw (talk) 20:27, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Without digging into whatever source was used for that statement, I though it was a reference to William III of England, who was stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Guelders and Overijssel, and a member of the House of Orange-Nassau, but William did not become King of England until 1689, five years before this article says the settlement name was changed. Unfortunately, I have loaned my copies of histories of the Bahamas to my sister, and can't check them on this. - Donald Albury 22:14, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I misinterpreted what was written before. I've looked through the sundry articles on William II, Nassau, the stadtholder, etc. and revised the text of this article to correct my error in interpretation. Its hopefully OK now. Bdushaw (talk) 14:12, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

frequent wars with the Spanish?

The article uses this phrase, "frequent wars with the Spanish", to describe the situation in the 1680s. But the article on Raid on Charles Town describes a different situation, viz. Charles Town had authorized privateering, as perhaps required for defense, even though England and Spain were not at war. Charles Town had in essence brought the Raid upon themselves...but the article is missing these nuances. "frequent wars with the Spanish" is missing the mark... Bdushaw (talk) 11:16, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

There were indeed "frequent wars" between England and Spain (and France) in the late 17th and early 18th centuries. The Spanish, sometimes in league with the French, attacked settlements in the Bahamas several times. See History of the Bahamas#Wreckers, privateers and pirates. - Donald Albury 13:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Sister cities

Three of the sister cities listed in the article do not appear to be sister cities. Either the agreement finished or this has been added erroneously. Wanganui's own website does not list Nassau, nor does Acapulco, and sistercity.info appears to contradict it. Is it safe to remove these?

Asimoth (talk) 04:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

If there is no currently valid reliable source cited in the article for a sister city relationaship, and you have made a good faith search and not found reliable sources for the relationship, then you can remove them. I might add that I find this sort of thing every once in a while, and remove cities from lists of sister cities if the relationship cannot be verified. - Donald Albury 13:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 25 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 18:47, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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Nassau, Bahamas → Nassau, The Bahamas – The name of the country is undoubtedly "The Bahamas", with the definite article. This does not seem to have been discussed before: the previous RMs focuses on whether the city is the primary topic for "Nassau". There was no consensus for that move, but if we have "Bahamas" in the article title, we should have "The". StAnselm (talk) 05:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – I would like to see more participation, as this would also lead to more RMs on other Bahamas articles. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:34, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

• Comment – There's a bunch of other pages that are titled "[X], Bahamas" that should also probably be included in this requested move. Paintspot Infez (talk) 05:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The Google Ngrams show that the current title is the most common usage in English sources. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

It makes no sense to refer it as the common name here if it isn’t in the primary page of the country article. Just my thoughts here. I think we need a consistent title for all the pages at least. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 04:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Well I disagree. There is nothing contradictory with "The Bahamas" being the most common way to refer to the island nation, but "Nassau, Bahamas" being the most common way to refer to the city. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:48, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Meh! I need more proof that that really is the common name to drop the “the” to make a verdict myself than just a Google Ngram. But that could be applied for the main page having the “The” on there probably even more so. Since adding adding that seems to be frowned on. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 19:01, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay well if you're not convinced by the Google Ngrams that's fine, but I find it to be convincing evidence. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per Rreagan007. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 16:23, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
• While "The" belongs in the main article like with the Beatles songs I think we can drop it with disambiguators to be more concise, see Category:The Beatles songs. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per others in Category:Populated places in the Bahamas unless we have a mass nom for all of them but as noted I think we're OK to drop "The" from qualifiers. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:23, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Rreagan007 and Crouch, Swale. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:04, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

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(Land) Area in Infobox

Given that there is not municipal government for the settlement, what is the source for the area (207 sq km) given in the infobox? If it's some kind of official statistical measurement, then a source needs to be cited. If none can be found, then the "area" is not relevant to be listed in the infobox. Criticalthinker (talk) 01:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Britannica gives the same area and population figures for Nassau and for New Providence, which are the same as the figures in our Nassau article. The article should indicate that Nassau, as defined in the article, is coterminous with New Providence. An official source for the area of New Providence is here (page v}. I'll add that to the inforbox. The same source (page 11) names 25 "supervisory districts" for New Providence, none of which is named "Nassau". Donald Albury 16:34, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Boundaries of Nassau

I have been unable to find an source on the boundaries of the city of Nassau, or for the existance of a municipal government for the city. It appears that the island of New Providence, on which Nassau is located, is governed directly by the national government. As I noted above, the official report of the 2010 census of the Bahamas lists 25 "supervisory districts" for New Providence, with populations ranging from 7,682 to 13,762, which add up to 246,329, the figure that is given for the population of Nassau and of New Providence in secondary sources and in the WP article. As none of those "supervisory districts" are called "Nassau", we have to either accept that Nassau is conterminous with New Providence, or forego listing a population (and area) for Nassau. - Donald Albury 23:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

The problem is this statement in the lead: "Today the city dominates the entire island and its satellite, Paradise Island." This implies Nassau includes both islands. Very confusing, but that's what happens when people (not you in this case) add content to articles without verifying a source for it. But we do need to make sure that what we add isn't contradicted elsewhere in the article. BilCat (talk) 23:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

The official tourism website for the Bahamas describes "Nassau and Paradise Island" as consisting of New Providence and Paradise Island.[1] The "islands of Bahamas" information page for New Providence (at www . bahamas . gov . bs) lists Paradise Island as a settlement "on" New Providence.[2] The census of the Bahamas reports population for New Providence and 19 other districts, what used to be called the "out islands" and more recently "family islands". Neither Nassau nor Paradise Island are listed in any of the population tables in the census (the "supervisory districts" on Nassau for which there are population figures do not coincide with the "settlements" on New Providence listed on the New Providence information page).[3] All of the secondary sources for the population of Nassau use the official reported population for New Providence. (My apologies for the ungainly urls linked above, but accessing the Bahamas government website has been very difficult this evening, and I haven't found any way of shortening the urls that works.)

I have found no source that defines the extent of Nassau. The census of the Bahamas does not report anything for "Nassau". The figures for the area and population of Nassau that we have taken from secondary sources are exactly the same as those reported for New Providence in the Bahamas census. So, how do we accurately reflect this in the WP article? Donald Albury 01:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I have edited the infobox and lead to reflect what is supported (or not supported) by sources I could find. The only sources I can find for the administrative status of Nassau indicate that is under the direct rule of the national government, but those sources are not the best, so I didn't use them. As I mentioned above, Nassau is not named either in any list of administrative divisions of the Bahamas, or in the census results, so I tried to make it clear that the area and population are for New Providence, rather than for Nassau. It also appears that Paradise Island is administratively part of New Providence, and in fact is part of a supervisory district that also includes part of the island of New Providence (see the Map of Districts of New Providence, Bahamas), so I just removed the comment about Paradise Island being a satellite of New Providence. I have also added the preliminary population figure for New Providence from the 2022 census. - Donald Albury 17:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC)