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Er, this entry has a bit of out of place Star Trek jargon: "Terran" for things from earth, etc. Use regular English.:) - unsigned User Talk:172.175.240.94

Xindi sounds a bit like Sindhi (language spoken in the province of Sindh, Pakistan), and the planet Xindus like the river Indus/Sindhus.

The Xindi commit a terroristic act. Is this just an accident or a tastelessness? - unsigned User Talk:217.232.250.111

Xindi incenerated a thin line from florida to venezuella. That weapon was a prototype, they sent the actual weapon later on, you see it in action at season 3 last episode. -- Cat ^chi? 20:53, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Temporal Cold War

Why is the Xindi included as part of the Temporal Cold War? They're part of an invasion from another dimension. That's a big difference, unless you're going to count everyone who can time travel as part of the temporal cold war. 132.205.15.43 01:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The spehere builders interfered with the developement of xindi, the xindi were not supposed to attack earth according to daniels. -- Cat ^chi? 20:51, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Terran

Terran is "Human" only in paralel universe -- Cat ^chi? 20:56, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Dominion similarities

Many aspects of the Xindi were seemingly taken from the Dominion, ie one race being worshipped as gods, the various species that work together and even the fact that the Sphere Builders look like the Founders! -- Tough Little Ship 20:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Xindi in other Star Trek series

In the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "The Battle", the Stargazer is to be towed to a Xindi starbase. This article talks about them solely in the Enterprise timeline. What other references to them are there in the various series? Hackwrench 20:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

there are no other references

5/6 subspecies?

opening paragraph says 5 subspecies but 6 are listed in body - what's that about? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trcunning (talk • contribs) 21:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

There are, as of the date of ENT, five extant subspecies, the sixth having gone extinct in recent times

Xindi Quote

Added the quote by Kessick about the 5 different species... should be mostly correct. One of my favorite lines about the Xindi and I couldn't find it anywhere!

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Questions about the article

Does it say in the series anywhere that the Xindi-Avians had no spaceships? How'd they get to this other world then? Or was the Xindi Council held at what was left of their destroyed world?

In the Xindi-Primates section, it mentions they were one of the first to be told about the human threat. I thought it was done at council before all of them. Does it say anywhere in the series they were the first?

I removed some inaccurate information about the Xindi-reptiles. [1] They had a weapon captured in one episode, and it didn't explode when opened and examined, but only when they tried to fire it. All sides have an equal vote, they not having any political dominance. They did later do what the guardians told them to, with the promise that they'd be put in charge of all Xindi. Dream Focus 04:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Humans

This edit by Jabberjawjapan is ridiculous and should be reverted. "Humans" is spelled with a lower-case h. Placing "Humans" always in capitals is incorrect. Star Trek articles have no special exemption from the normal rules of grammar, and trying to grant them one is frankly disruptive, a nice example of the kind of thing that gives Wikipedia a bad reputation. If Human (Star Trek) also places "Humans" in capitals, that only shows that it also needs to be changed. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 09:47, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there should be clear discussion and consensus on this, but the place to do it is here... Thanks. Jabberjawjapan (talk) 10:08, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No. We are having a dispute about this article, Jabberjawjapan, so the discussion can be had here. At the other article, you tried to start a thread titled "In the Star Trek universe, are people from Earth collectively called "humans" or "Humans"?" That's not a relevant question. This is not "the Star Trek universe". This is Wikipedia, and articles are written in normal English, not Star Trek-ese. There are rules against articles being written in an "in-universe" fashion, as you would apparently like to do. Kindly refer to WP:MOSFICT: "Wikipedia articles should describe fiction and fictional elements from the perspective of the real world, not from the perspective of the fiction itself." We follow the rules of English grammar and spelling. I await your response. I will consider reverting you if you provide none. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 04:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments:

I am uncomfortable with the tone that has been used so far. Use of words/phrases such as "ridiculous", "disruptive", "the kind of thing that gives Wikipedia a bad reputation", and "as you would apparently like to do" do not mirror my understanding of Wikipedia:Civility. I would appreciate your consideration of and attention to this matter.

I disagree regarding discussion locale, since the dispute is not about the Xindi per se, but the specific usage of "Humans" on Star Trek wikipages. I feel led to respond here since this talk page is most directly linked to this issue, and interested editors/observers from this current page may not be aware of discussions held elsewhere. Further 5 of the 6 edits made as part of this issue were made to this page.

I note that Wikipedia:Consensus states that "Any edit that is not disputed or reverted by another editor can be assumed to have consensus." This page is more than 10.5 years old, and reviewing its edit history from then, shows it to have been relatively stable. That of course does not make it necessarily "correct", but simply reflects the fact that for many of its editors the content is relatively uncontroversial.

I agree that having a "in-universe perspective" is a problem for most tv/film related topics, since many inexperienced editors tend to directly cut/paste materials from primary sources and fan blogs, or edit pages without that in mind. I think the consensus we seek lies in resolving how to best couch the terminology used to avoid this.

Here are some examples as possible models of usage:

"Vulcans in Star Trek are often confounded by human emotions"
"The Borg frequently assimilate humanoid races because..."
"Warp flight was first developed by human beings when..."
"The founding races of the Federation were Humans, Vulcans, and Andorians."
"The Klingon said, "Our warriors have become like Humans... weak, cowardly"".

I think the last two of these link to the issue - when is the in-universe concept of non-Earth alien races/species using the word "Humans" as a collective demonym for all human beings possible. Science fiction challenges people's perspectives of the world and often offers new concepts/perspectives that may not fit standard conventions. As you mention in your initial comment, "Placing "Humans" always in capitals is incorrect.", and I agree — so it seems we just need to identify how the alien term "Humans" can be used in order to best express to the reader this specific science-fiction concept. Jabberjawjapan (talk) 19:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing that you have to say in your response is cogent, Jabberjawjapan. The age of the page is irrelevant. Much poor content survives on Wikipedia for a very long time, even indefinitely. I'm afraid I find the last part of your response to be all but unintelligible. As far as I can determine, you are saying that because fictional aliens in the Star Trek universe refer to humans as "Humans" with a capital H, Star Trek articles should spell "humans" with a capital H. I cannot begin to understand what would make anyone think that was a defensible position, especially because (but not only because) there is no evidence that aliens in Star Trek do spell "humans" with a capital H. We are discussing the spelling to be used in an article about a fictional species that appears in a TV series; no dialogue spoken by aliens in any of the episodes of that Star Trek series or of any other Star Trek series could possibly indicate how the aliens think "humans" should be spelled. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 07:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your detailed response. As I mentioned earlier, I believe that this discussion is best had on the other page, and I am uncomfortable having my comments copymoved from there to here against my wishes. Therefore, in order to expedite discussions to where I believe it should correctly be, I have performed the following actions to help close this discussion here:

Removed the copied comments that I originally posted here Talk:Human (Star Trek). I would appreciate the courtesy of being allowed to chose where/how my own personal comments are posted (Wikipedia:Etiquette).
Removed the good-faith edits to this page that triggered this conversation here (Wikipedia:Assume good faith).

Thank you for your time and consideration.Jabberjawjapan (talk) 14:32, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jabberjawjapan, this discussion started here, and it is important that it remain here so that people at Wikipedia:Third Opinion can see the entire discussion. Trying to move it to another talk page, where the entire history of the discussion is not visible, is disruptive. Removing anything that I add to this talk page, even if it is your comments shifted from another talk page, is likewise disruptive, and can even possibly be considered vandalism. In effect, it amounts to you trying to censor me. Why would you imagine I would find that acceptable? If I had posted a comment here quoting what you said on another talk page, would you then presume to remove it? Removing other people's talk page posts because you dislike the fact that they contain or quote your comments is not acceptable. Removing talk page posts is allowable only in unusual cases (comments containing BLP violations, etc) that do not apply here; see WP:TPO. Your current behavior is extremely ill-advised. Instead of complaining about the fact that I prefer to discuss this issue here, and disruptively and provocatively removing my talk page posts, you might do better to say something meaningful in response. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:28, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion

Response to third opinion request:

I agree with FreeKnowledgeCreator; the word "humans" is, even in the Star Trek universe, not a proper noun, so it does not need to be capitalized. (SN: Jabberjawjapan, FKC is also right about the discussion staying here because if you start the same discussion in different venues, it looks like forum shopping.) Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 04:28, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]