Talk:Muryeong of Baekje

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I think only several Japanese historians claims Shima's mother was a hostage. So it is not appropriate to show that in Wikipedia.

Hmmm, maybe there was a different reason of sending a pregnant woman of the royal family to a foreign country I can't think of. --Nanshu 03:04, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hey, what if the two kings of Baekje and Japan were just brothers? Even several Japanese papers suggest it. Again, it's definately not appropriate on an Encyclopedia.

Go to Tondemo. Korean "scholars" have created many "theories" whose cores cannot be verified. The scarcity of historical sources allows them to live in fantasy world. We don't treat such "theories". --Nanshu 04:46, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Maybe some, not all of them. I think Japanese "scholars" have similar habits, too. :)

Nanshu, just shut up. If you want to go brag about your barbarian island country, go do it somewhere else. But if you want to start making sarcastic remarks about the truth ..... well, then there's simply something wrong about the bullshit you're saying. Do you really think that Shima's mother was a hostage? Especially when your homeland back then practically bowed 90 degrees to Baekje? I think not. And don't start saying any crap about Baekje's and Japan's ties as mutual. It was pretty much one way, and that one way of culture traffic that built that Jap country on the edge of civilization came from Baekje. Look at Todaji and Horyuji. They're all things Korean engineers and architects built. Don't wanna admit it, Nanshu? Then go tattletaling onon that coward, good-for-nothing, sore-loser country.

Yeah, Japan was cultured as a loser by the Baekje who themselves are losers for being chased off the continent, just look at the filth that is Japan today!

Question of Baekje's ethnicity

Based on Beckwith's landmark studies on the language of Goguryeo, where he found it to be cognate with Old Japanese, but not with Old Korean, the Ledyard hypothesis that the Goguryeo and the Japanese are of the same stock of horse-riding invadors has gained worldwide attention again. Since Goguryeo language and Old Japanese are different branches of a root language, it is therefore inferred that their kinfolk in Buyeo and Baekje also speak a branch of Old Japonic (to differentiate it from modern Japanese). This would put together the entire jigsaw puzzle.

The Proto-Japonic Buyeo conquerors and their offshoot peoples moved southwards from Manchuria into the Korean peninsula in the process forming the Goguryeo and Bakje kingdoms, in places where they subdued the Bronze Dagger Culture people (identified by Korean archaeologists as Gojoseon) in parts of the peninsula, with other areas maintaining their independence amongst which the state of Silla is the strongest of these native kingdoms. But the Buyeo invadors did not stop in Korea, for they also crossed the sea and conquered the Yayoi people (the Yamatai state with rulers such as Queen Himiko, as described in Wei-Shu) to start the Kofun culture.

When Silla finally successfully evicted these Japonic conquerors from the peninsula, those from Goguryeo fled back into Manchuria, where they helped to form the new state of Parhae. But the Japonic Goguryeo people were eventually absorbed by the Jurchens. In the case of Japonic Baekje, however, many of them fled to their Japonic brethen across the sea and settled there, being assimilated into the main population. Thus the modern population of Japan is molded out of a class of Buyeo (Proto-Japanese) rulers over a native Yayoi-Jomon people.

The people of Silla are in reality the descendents of the Bronze Dagger/Gojoseon peoples who conquered this place a few centuries before moving from Liaoning into Korea. Incidentally the native people of Korea are those of the neolithic Mumun culture. It was the Bronze Dagger/Gojoseon conquest that lead many of the Mumun peoples to flee across the sea to found the Yayoi culture in Japan. Thus the modern Koreans come from a mixture of the Bronze Dagger Gojoseon ruling class over a Mumun general population, plus some remnant Japonic Buyeo mixture.Wayne Leigh (talk) 10:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The linguists who are strongly criticizing the Goguryeo-Japonic hypothesis emphasize that some Japonic toponymes or place names, found in the central part of Korean peninsula, don’t reflect the Goguryeo language but previous substratum language (an indigenous Japonic language in the prehistoric Korean peninsula) of the central and southern part of Korean peninsula. Some basises of this argument are as follows.

Firstly, None of the Japonic toponymes have been found in the northern part of Korean peninsula and south-western part of Manchuria where the historical homeland of Buyeo and Goguryeo were situated. Secondly, some Japonic toponymes (such as Japonic numeral found in historical homeland of Silla) are also found in the southern part of Korean peninsula. On the contrary, many Koreanic toponymes were evenly distributed all around the territory of Goguryeo kingdom from Manchuria to the Korean peninsula.

The fact that proto-Japonic people lived in the central and southern part of Korean Peninsula (including Jeju, a big southwestern Island where some elements of Japonic Language have survived) suggests that at least the linguistic ancestors of the Japanese-Ryukuan people (it may be worth considering the possibility that some of the Yayoi people were originated from the lower basin of Yangzi River) migrated from the Korean peninsula to the Japanese Archipelago and made a important contribution to the formation of Yayoi culture in Japan. On the other hand, proto-Japonic people who remained on the peninsula were pushed to the south by proto-Korean peoples who expanded southwards from Manchuria into the peninsula and founded successively new small states which gradually developed into the Three Kingdoms of Korea, on the prehistoric Korean peninsula. Eventually indigenous proto-Japonic people on the central and southern Korean peninsula were assimilated into Koreanic peoples.

Jagello (talk) 17:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

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